
What's the most common reason parents have for not homeschooling? They need two incomes. But I'm just not willing to believe that money holds back parents from homeschooling. Here's why: Anyone has enough money to homeschool because there's an intrinsic low-cost-of-living that works with homeschooling.
It's not about high cost of housing
For example, you can move to a cheap neighborhood. There is no way you need two incomes to maintain a homeschool family because you can live in a very low-cost-of-living area because you will not be using the school district. It does not cost money to do what most kids want to do—which is play and hang out with their parents and their friends. Kids don't need vacations from a life that is fun. People take vacations from life that is full of homework and waking up at 7am to catch a bus. So the big expenses in your life go away.
It's not about affording to live near cultural opportunities
Also, parents live in a fantasy land, thinking they need to live near cultural opportunities for kids. If your kid is totally driven in one area and an expert and needs the best of the best, then absoltuely she should be homeschooled anyway.
For all other kids, having a smidgen of dance (track national tours of big dance troupes), hearing one orchestra (we have season tickets in Madison), going to one big city and seeing whatever museums are there (Indianapolis has the country's number-one children's museum) this is enough. Kids don't need the 4000 dinaosaur bones in the Museum of Natural History. If the tradeoff for being near phenomenal cultural institutions is that kids spend eight hours a day in school because the parents have to pay to live there, then it's not worth it.
It's not about paying off debt
Debt can wait. Let's say you're paying off a lot of debt. We do not have debtor's prison. So you can pay it off over 50 years, on one salary, and that would be fine. Or if you can't pay it off over 50 years on one salary then get a reality check: you qualify for bankruptcy and you should take it. But when you say you need two incomes to pay off debt, do you know who is really paying off the debt? Your kids. Because they have to go to school so you can pay off debt. It's not worth it.
People don't homeschool because they're scared they'll be bored
The truth is that people don't homeschool because they would rather go to work than be with kids all day. It's understandable. Who wouldn't? If you are good at work then you have engaging projects, interesting conversation, and an all-round stimulating environment. I like work better than being home with kids as well. And work is a thousand times easier for me.
But it's not the best or the right choice. Because in exchange for two working parents getting really cool work environments, the kids have a dull existence at a school that does not cater to them nearly as well as work caters to parents who enjoy work. Here's a revealing statistic: Working Mother found that moms would rather have a 20% pay increase than a year-long vacation. That 20% pay increase isn't going to change anyone's standard of living. Which means moms just like going to work.
But you have to weigh the fun of going to work vs the destruction of sending kids to school. Kids do not have enough control over their school life to make it better. But parents have total control over their home life. So they can stop working, rearrange things for homeschooling, and then figure out how to make homelife interesting for themselves, too.
There's a reason that there are so few how-to-homeschool tips on this blog. Anyone can homeschool. Kids naturally learn stuff. It's so well documented that it's insulting to our intelligence to even argue this point. Kids are natural learners, which means the challenge of homeschooling is how to keep the parents who are home engaged and interested and fulfilled.
The real choice for most parents is do they choose to have their kids bored at school or do they choose to be bored themselves at home? And the real question is, which problem is more easily remedied?
That's the big barrier to homeschooling for most parents, and that's what this blog focuses on. See that photo of me doing needlepoint? I've been saving it for a year. I didn't want you to see it. I have three startups under my belt, for god's sake! What am I doing with needlepoint? But it's a picture of me trying. It didn't work. But I have spent the last year trying to figure out how to be fulfilled and engaged while I homeschool.
Some days I love being with my kids and some days I don't. It's a work in progress. But you don't get to meet that challenge if you give up at the beginning and put your kids in school so you can have fun at work.
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I love this Penelope. LOVE IT! You are exactly right. You said in another post that you had to make the choice to work when you could with your kids home all day. That really resonated with me. Homeschooling is about having choices.
Posted by Taylor @ Wise Family Living on January 24, 2013 at 12:58 pm | permalink |
We home school and like it. Another big reason others don't home school is they think their kids will end up weird (as many home schoolers from two decades ago were the weirdos). This stigma keeps many people that could otherwise do it, from even considering it in the first place.
Posted by John on January 24, 2013 at 1:20 pm | permalink |
The whole "homeschooling makes weird kids" is weird to me. Different is a good thing if what your kids are different from is mindlessness.
Kids are often boring because they are not on the same knowledge level that adults are and to have an honest, candid conversation with one requires a lot of explaining. And often kids don't want long explanations so you are stuck in a rut unless your kid is an introvert / good listener.
I think the cure for this is you gettting good at finding inspiring resources. It's often not about learning how to do fun things with your kids; it's about learning how to inspire yourself to learn to learn things with your kids.
Posted by Daniel Baskin on January 24, 2013 at 2:01 pm | permalink |
Interesting thought about kids being boring to listen to- I think definitely it's true for the spoon-fed, public schooled audience. Kids who only think about mindless television and ridiculous video games are boring, because the stuff their minds are filled with is utterly meaningless. However, I've been around a lot of homeschooled kids in addition to my own, and they are almost NEVER boring. They have very active minds and crave knowledge and action. It's what kids were supposed to be, and I can't say I'm ever bored being around them. Frustrated, certainly, but it's never because they don't provide stimulating interaction. In fact, most of the profound things I have discussed with them have been subjects initiated by them. No, it's not exactly like talking to an adult. It's more honest and gritty and usually covered in peanut butter. It takes getting used to, I won't argue that, but it's never boring.
Posted by T on January 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
This is definitely how I feel! I mean I don't have kids yet, but the thought of staying home with some all day is utterly unappealing. I thought babysitting and sunday school teaching assistant were some of the worst jobs I ever had. Maybe it's different when it's your own kids.
I get confused though. I worked so hard in school and in this early part of my career to be a good engineer. Should I give it up to raise kids and have them work hard at starting a career they will then give up in some strange cycle?
Posted by Nonnie on January 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm | permalink |
This is an excellent area of conversation, Nonnie. Why do we raise kids telling them they have to have a big career and that's what their education is for? That's incredibly limiting in the way that raising daughters to be housewives is limiting.
There is not one thing to grow up to be. There is not one, single goal for education. We need to show kids that education is for love of learning and curiosity and growing into the best version of our true selves. It's not necessarily for a big career. And it's not necessarily for one thing – we can do different things at different parts of our lives and honor our work in education.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm | permalink |
Yes!!!!!
Posted by Hannah on January 24, 2013 at 6:56 pm | permalink |
As a fellow who did give up a six-figure engineering job to stay at home with his kids, my answer would be that it's also a strange cycle to work sixty hours a week at your job so you can pay for outsourced education for your kid so he can grow up to work sixty hours a week at his job. There's more than one strange cycle out there.
Look at it a different way: it's about options. I was successful enough to have the option at this point to stay at home with my kids. I hope my kids will grow up to have options as well. I hope that both my son and my daughter will be able to work at a good job that they enjoy and that builds up savings, and that – when they so choose – they'll also be able to stay at home with their kids.
Posted by Gareth on January 24, 2013 at 3:11 pm | permalink |
Gareth, that's such an eloquent way to explain things. The cycle is such a simple, stark way to present the problem.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 24, 2013 at 6:13 pm | permalink |
Another reason I might add is fear. Many parents fear the education they provide won't be as good as what a "regular" school will do for them. Lack of confidence, lack of knowledge, and a lack that homeschooling is really easier than they think.
Boredom never really entered my mind as a possibility, so I'm glad you pointed it out.
Posted by Lisa @ SoTeaBeeZa on January 24, 2013 at 2:11 pm | permalink |
Yes that is my reason…
And I might add because out 1st grader is SO BORED in school…(they tested her and she is in 3rd and 4th grade level but they won't move her up). It has made me give homeschooling another serious look.
Posted by Rachel on January 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm | permalink |
I'm sorry, but this is terribly classist. I waited to homeschool my son until he was old enough to be home alone, unsupervised. Walking away from my job is not an option, no matter how great the benefits of homeschooling may be. We have 2 incomes, but they are 2 very modest incomes. We live in a low-income neighborhood in the midwest. We drive old, used cars that are paid for. We live very frugally, and we just barely get by paycheck to paycheck. Additionally, I cannot afford to give up my employer-provided health insurance. My son has mental health issues and without insurance his ability to receive regular treatment would be severely compromised.
I understand your arguments may apply to many middle class families, particularly those in your target audience. But please don't shame families who cannot give up one income. The option to stay home is a privilege, and it is simply not feasible for everyone at all income levels. To assume that parents who work full-time instead of homeschooling only do so because working is MORE FUN (?!) is just insulting and smacks of elitism.
Posted by Renee on January 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm | permalink |
I'll tell you why this really bothers me. Because when I quit working to stay home with my newborn baby, I had no way to make money from home. And my husband was out of work.
So we lived off public assistance while I figured out what to do. I hired a babysitter to watch my son while I wrote for two hours a day to try to make money as a journalist and the babysitter quit because there was no food in the refrigerator and she thought we were crazy.
Also, during that time, I had two special needs kids on public health insurance and we got through three operations that way. So it can be done. It was very scary and I hated it, but I did it because I wanted to be home with my kids.
I am telling you this to let you know that you're not the only person who has the problems you have. And your husband should get a job with health insurance. And you and your husband can do exactly what I did. First decide how you want your life to be and then start taking big risks to get it how you want it.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 24, 2013 at 2:58 pm | permalink |
"Your husband should get a job with health insurance. And you and your husband can do exactly what I did. First decide how you want your life to be and then start taking big risks to get it how you want it."
That's not very helpful. You assume an awful lot, such as the fact that I haven't taken any big risks to live the way I want to live. You're wrong. I've been on public assistance, when my son was born and I was a single parent (estranged father, no child support). I've taken plenty of risks in my life, enough to appreciate all that I have now and the privileges that brought me this far. I've never had a six figure income or a savings account, so I never grew accustomed to anything but frugal living.
Since I began homeschooling I've joined several discussions groups and online communities, only to be turned off by the judgments and shaming of everyone else who still sends their child(ren) to school. I'm simply pointing out that it might be more effective to educate others about the benefits of homeschooling as well as the severe dysfunction of our education system without hurling judgments and demeaning commentary at the very folks you'd like to persuade.
Posted by Renee on January 24, 2013 at 3:22 pm | permalink |
I am so sorry Renee. I don't even know the writer but I can tell you I didn't agree with her post. I think she had some good points but I think her judgements got a lot wrong also.
This is the 1st time I've come to her blog…and not sure I'd revisit based on this article and her insensitivity.
And although the writer was just as insensitive in her response to you, I feel inclined to encourage you.
I applaud you in doing what you need to do in order to keep your family knit together for what is best for each of you.
There is NO ONE right way to raise a family, and don't let someone bully you into feeling there is. There is no one right way to educate children, or even the same children in the same family. We all have different needs.
Anyhow, just wanted to tell you to keep your chin up Renee and put a smile on your face to know you are doing what you need to do.
Posted by Rachel on January 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm | permalink |
Hi Renee
I am an academic in a faculty of Education in Australia. I blog, weekly because I work and have a 19mo, about the education theory that supports homeschool. It's not hard to find theoretical arguments for homeschool in the education literature. If that's what you're interested in, please look at my blog
rebeccamenglish.com
I hope that helps you find the justification you need. You can trust me, I'm an education expert (said with Australian sarcasm!).
Cheers
Rebecca
Posted by Rebecca on February 1, 2013 at 1:23 am | permalink |
I couldn't have said it any better! This is a big reason why I don't want to homeschool because of such self-righteous, judgmental attitudes that come from the homeschooling community. It's so sad how people can be so mean and think that those who send their kids to public schools are so evil and unloving parents. I do have the privilege of staying home however, do not feel qualified to teach them their academics (barely got it the first time around!) that and also, would feel a lack of support when I see the ugliness on these sights. To tell you the truth, I'd probably not homeschool up to par in their eyes!
Posted by L Marie on April 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm | permalink |
So only home educating families have self-righteous attitudes? Interesting.
Posted by Tamara on May 7, 2013 at 6:34 pm | permalink |
I think you probably have a much higher risk tolerance than a lot of people. For many people, when they say "I'd love to ____, but I can't afford it," it really means they don't want to change their lifestyle to do it. I'm guessing there are some people who wouldn't homeschool, even if it meant the only adjustment they had to make is giving up cable television.
I don't quite know how you break through that. Much of it is about fear. Some of it is resistance to self-exploration. I don't think people know what they'd do with themselves without some of things they think they "need" to have in order to live.
Posted by Karen on January 26, 2013 at 10:12 am | permalink |
So true!
I never returned to work after our 2nd child was born. We made huge sacrifices in order for me to be home with them.
I have friends tell me all the time how lucky I am to get to stay home. Or how it must me nice for my husband to make so much $ for us to be able to live off of 1 income.
My husband makes far less than lots of other people out there and way less than a 2 income family and we are not on any assistance. We are making it work, with the help of our Father in heaven.
What I have found is the people who make these remarks,often are not willing to make the same lifestyle cuts we made in order to be where we are.
And I am not talking about someone making minimum wage, I'm talking about people who make these comments are often times people who make more then my husband makes yet they still think they wouldn't be able to survive on one income.
Posted by Rachel on January 26, 2013 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
As a single parent, I find your attitude disgusting. I suppose I could follow your example and quit my job to homeschool. But what does THAT teach my child? That it's better to live off the public dole, to expect other people to pay my way, to walk away from my obligations (debts), to use other people who are working for a living as stooges so I can live the way I choose? No, thank you.
Instead, I choose to work at a job I don't love, but that's near my daughter's school. I pay my (extremely minimal) bills, I have health insurance, I give to charity, I work in my daughter's classromm. Would I love to be able to stay home and teach her, to be the one seeing the connections made? Absolutely. But not at the cost of our dignity and our self-reliance.
Shame on you, Penelope, for thinking that your way is the only way, for assuming that we all have the same road and that your choices are the best choices for everyone. Shame on you for deciding to go on public assistance when one of you could have been working. Shame on you for making ME and everyone else reading your blog pay your way so you could live the way you WANTED to. Shame on you for encouraging others to file bankruptcy as a way to get out of debt so they can live the way they WANT to. Shame on you for teaching that to your children.
Posted by Heather on January 26, 2013 at 8:07 pm | permalink |
Sounds to me like you're really more mad at yourself than you are at Penelope, Heather.
Your choice to be a single parent means that some options are not available to your children. Nobody here is saying shame on you for bringing your children up in a "broken home," as they would have in the seventies (trust me – I used to hate hearing that), but you going all off the rails on Penelope because your lifestyle choice means you can't homeschool your children like she does says a lot more about you than it does about her.
I'm sure there are lots of reasons why your baby daddy isn't in the picture anymore, but it's got nothing to do with Penelope. Trying to put your feelings of shame on her isn't ultimately going to work. She's not going to start feeling them, and you're not going to stop.
It's a rough reality that homeschooling and single parenthood don't mix well. But that's one of many things that come with the package. Single parenthood is a rough life. I grew up that way, and I knew I didn't want it for my own kids, for both financial and educational reasons.
You young folks out there, listen up: if you want financial stability, get married and stay married. And remember: your choice of spouse is the most important decision you will ever make, so don't do it hastily.
Posted by Gareth on January 27, 2013 at 8:52 am | permalink |
I think the anger is directed at the "you must homeschool, and if you don't it is because you are a failure" which figures intentionally or unintentionally very prominently in this post.
Posted by redrock on January 27, 2013 at 11:11 am | permalink |
Gareth, thanks for your judgemental attitude. My child's "baby daddy" was my husband. He passed away, leaving me as a single mother. Do you really think it was my choice? Not every single parent fits your stereotype.
My anger is not directed at myself and my situation or my choices. I do fine, both financially and emotionally. There is no shame in being a widow and raising my child. My anger is directed at those who make me, through my taxes, pay for their choices. The choices to go on public assistance and/or to file bankruptcy, when the person is capable of getting a job or paying off debt, but it's easier not to do so, those are shameful.
Public assistance is an emergency measure. The desire to homeschool is not an emergecy. As a taxpayer, I support those who need a little help in times of emergency. But Penelope's post suggests that I should support her choice to homeschool both emotionally (which I do) and financially (which I am forced to, unwillingly). She has taken advantage of the system, which means she has taken advantage of me. And you. We all pay taxes. Those taxes go to support, among many other things, public assistance recipients. Her choice to go on public assistance so she could homeschool means that she forced you to support her financially, just as she forced me to do so. That makes me angry. I find her choices, and her smug attitude about them, to be shameful. But she goes further than that. She suggests that others should follow her example. That's definitely shameful.
Posted by Heather on January 27, 2013 at 2:13 pm | permalink |
If this upsets you so maybe you should not read her blog…just a thought.
And maybe I've misread it but nowhere did I read PT arguing that you should go on welfare in order to homeschool.
She might, I wouldn't put it past her – I think she may honestly believe that it is better for society as a whole if more people are on public assistance yet homeschooling. I think she might find articles which show that this would actually save taxes by reducing prison time, increasing their overall capacity to contribute, etc. But that is not what she said. She said she quit working to stay home with her newborn. Those studies have already been done – it's beneficial to our society. So , gee, thanks Penelope.
You kinda wreck this discussion when you go off the rails on your own and then other people follow. If you want to talk about the horrible abuses of people "gaming" our tax dollars there are a lot of blogs for you, just not this one.
Posted by kristen on January 27, 2013 at 2:52 pm | permalink |
Quite right, Kristen. I have followed Heather off the rails, and it shames me. There's nothing like a summary rush to judgment based on partial information to inspire another summary rush to judgment based on partial information. For my part, I apologize to you all.
As for the morality of Penelope going on public assistance so she could spend time at home with her two special needs children while she figured out a way to restart a rewarding career, I see absolutely no problem with that. My wife and I have paid more in federal income tax in the past decade than most people made in the first place, and an awful lot of that has undoubtedly been wasted. The part that went to helping PT get back on her feet and take care of her children wasn't; the proof is in the pudding.
I think this is just what public assistance should be there for. I believe the safety net is best used not as a hammock to take a nap in, but as a trampoline to bounce back up off. But, as you say, the argument about best use of public monies is best followed elsewhere on the web.
Here it would be best to focus on PT's point, which is that sometimes one must go to extremes in order to take the best care of one's children. I frequently find myself disagreeing with PT, but in the matter of her dedication to her children's well-being, I find her exemplary.
Posted by Gareth on January 28, 2013 at 6:27 am | permalink |
Wow, so you mooched off of those of us who actually do the responsible thing and work at real jobs for a living. This is why I firmly believe that in order to receive government assistance, a non-disabled adult should be required to work full-time, either at a private-sector job or if he/she can't find one, community service. I have no problem giving hard-working folks a helping hand, but as the Bible says, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."
Posted by Crimson Wife on January 30, 2013 at 2:29 am | permalink |
Raising children IS work. It's the most important job that anyone has. Maybe people should start looking at it as mooching off their own tax dollars. Most people have paid into it, so now they can reap the benefits.
Posted by Erika on March 18, 2013 at 11:13 am | permalink |
Maybe you can't, but I believe that most people can. My husband is in law school. For the past three years, we've been living off student loans and what little money that we could bring in. Right now, dh is earning $600 a month, and my business is bringing in about $150 a month. Throughout his time in law school, we lived off unemployment and student loans for a while; for the first semester of law school, we lived off of the money that remained from an insurance payment that we received after a house fire.
Everybody's circumstances are different, of course, but I don't think you can say that homeschooling excuses are limited to the middle class. While I would probably call my outlook on life more of a middle/upper middle class one, financially, our income is currently below the poverty level. Sometimes there actually is a way, but it's hard to see.
I used to work in the Navy. I had two third class petty officers that worked for me that I couldn't understand how they survived. One was a single guy that gave away $100 a month to charity; another was married with two baby twins, and his wife didn't work. I didn't know how they could make it. In the last years that my husband has been in college, I've been learning. It's not easy, but in many cases, it's possible. I've been amazed at how well sometimes God has been taking care of me and my family.
Posted by Brooke Lorren on January 24, 2013 at 5:42 pm | permalink |
I tend to agree with you. It's unfair to say that all parents could homeschool if they just tried hard enough, or cared enough. Sometimes it's just not possible, and I'm a "retired" homeschooling parent that homeschooled from beginning to end. I was able to do what I did because my husband supported us, and I was extremely frugal.
Homeschooling, under current circumstances is a sacrifice, because the world is built for public school and everyone else's mind revolves around that. It's a wonderful world with great dividends, but a sacrifice nevertheless.
Posted by Priswell on January 25, 2013 at 11:42 am | permalink |
"First decide how you want your life to be and then start taking big risks to get it how you want it."
Thanks so much Penelope for writing that. It kind of gets tiring listening to people all my life telling me i'm crazy for doing it
To Renee – Penelope and Brooke are right. I must admit i chuckled at the idea of a family with two cars thinking they live frugally. Most families on the planet don't and never will own cars.
Having tried freegan lifestyle for a while a few years ago (successfully), i'll never again be afraid of not having enough money. Very often people earning four times as much as i do now tell me they live very frugally and that there is no way around it. My income puts me below the poverty line and i've never received any public assistance, but i think i live well. I can even save. It is possible. Much of it has to do with perception and fear – or no fear. Thinking up new ideas and not comparing yourself to other people also helps
None of us are saying you must do it. We are saying that there are ways to do it.
Posted by gordana dragicevic on January 25, 2013 at 8:32 pm | permalink |
But, do you know why they have two cars? Maybe they are taking care of elderly parents, or one of the cars is necessary for work travel – and a comparison between the US life and life in other countries does not hold. In many other countries you do not even need a car to get groceries – in the US many people without cars are unable to reach a decent grocery store without help from friends for near complete lack of public transportation.
And risk taking is exactly that: risk taking. It can go awfully wrong. It worked for you, but it does not always – more often than not it does not work out. The high risk business someone started goes bonk, the great work from home programming gig died, and and and…. risk taking is personal, some have a lower threshold, others are happy to take a huge risk any day. Some work on building a stable life for their family, and hold self sufficiency as an important value of their life they want to instill in their children. The values of working hard, fulfilling your duties of putting food on the table for your family, paying for the stuff you buy without going into debt, are good values. Some might say they are out of date, but I personally don't think so.
Posted by redrock on January 26, 2013 at 10:01 pm | permalink |
Absurd. I gave up my $80k plus a package of nearly $10k yearly benefits to be able to homeschool my 6 year old son. My husband and I have no medical insurance and we are paying my son's insurance through the state. My husband makes 3 times less than what i make. I manage to pay my credit bills, have no car payments. My pastor at church says: "you have to be crazy to leave your child in the hands of strangers for 30 hours a day to be educated". I could have thought of 20 different excuses for not homeschooling my child. It is all about fear. In my situation, i see being able to homeschool my child as labor of love. God entrusted me this child and it is my ministry to be able to rear him in the knowledge of Him. As a Christian parent, it is a great honor not only to teach my child, but to be able to evangelize him at the same time. Please have no fear. Find the courage you need in the teachings of the greatest teacher that ever lived, our Lord Jesus Christ. He will empower you.
Posted by isa on March 22, 2013 at 6:29 am | permalink |
There's no reason you should be bored homeschooling your kids.
It's good to give kids the example of constant learning, making your own curriculum, wanting to learn stuff, …
How can you possibly be bored if you're doing that for yourself.
I mean, they suck a little time when they need help with stuff. But when they're focused on their interests, I focus on mine.
I can't imagine being bored at home.
I can imagine being bored at work though.
Posted by Gwen Nicodemus on January 24, 2013 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
Saying home and learning with my kids is not fulfilling because I've been leading large teams for most of my life. I can kind of do that at home — leading kids, and the people my kids interact with, and the people who work for me right now. But leading a team from home is not the same experience as being with the team at an office.
For someone who likes to sit by themselves and learn, then doing that is fulfilling with kids. For someone who learns through doing things with their kids, being home doing things would be fulfilling.
The same way that being at an office is really compromising for some people. Being at home is really compromising for some people.
That said, it doesn't mean that people can't do what is not comfortable for them. It means they have to work hard at making if okay for them.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 24, 2013 at 6:18 pm | permalink |
I need more examples of how you actually do the things you want to in a given day. For me homeschooling is not at all an income obstacle, since I'm already a SAHM. But I'm not going to lie, free babysitting sounds pretty awesome since they are small now and need so much. I desperately want school to rescue me and give me back a life, but not if the cost to my kids is too great.
For those of us who haven't reached a decision point yet, are the demands of homeschooling on your individuality as great as raising babies? Because if I had even two hours a day for myself it'd be a no-brainer to homeschool. But if I didn't it would be a serious consideration.
Posted by Satya on January 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm | permalink |
When my kids aren't actually doing school work, they spend a lot of time playing. Mine are 10 and 6, so that might be different than if they're younger, but even when they were younger they played a lot together. My older one knows how to cook her own lunch, and even my little guy is learning how to make some foods on his own. So I do get time to myself (or to work on my business).
Posted by Brooke Lorren on January 24, 2013 at 5:51 pm | permalink |
If money isn't an issue and you only want two hours a day to yourself, hire a babysitter for two hours. I end up doing that sometimes. It works fine.
There's no rule that says you can't hire a babysitter if you're homeschooling. Snooty people will call it a tutor, or whatever. And it could be a tutor. It could be anything – just so you can get away for some part of each day.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 24, 2013 at 6:21 pm | permalink |
Make a quiet time (or naptime or alone time) non-negotiable at some point in your day, every day.
For the parents who do this (between 1-2.5 hours a day), I see them more relaxed, more patient, and developing their own interests. Parents who don't do this are generally over-stressed, frazzled, and snappy with their kids more often than not.
It's non-negotiable in our house, and because my kids are older, it's not even something that gets discussed…it's always been a part of our lifestyle. My kids enjoy their times alone playing, reading books, or making things, or have the option to take a quick snooze, and I enjoy my 2.5 hours of doing my own thing, and getting some long-awaited Silence.
Posted by Sarah M on January 25, 2013 at 7:14 am | permalink |
Hi Sarah, how fun to see you commenting here.
Posted by renee @ FIMBY on January 27, 2013 at 7:42 am | permalink |
Why hello again! This blog and FIMBY, my two fav homeschool blogs. Love PT!
Sarah M
Posted by Sarah M on January 27, 2013 at 8:10 am | permalink |
Penelope, I agree the worst part of homeschooling is the boredom for me. Noah is 7. He loves being at home with me all day. Happy camper! But, me? Argh! I have started training for a marathon. The group of women I train with are awesome. I'm doing my best to get out and develope outside of being home all day but…. Yikes! I want out more often then I want to stay. But then, who said this was easy?
Posted by Anita on January 24, 2013 at 5:59 pm | permalink |
Dropping work to homeschool was the biggest risk I've taken so far in my life. I've had to make massive changes in lifestyle because we're now pretty much a zero income family, and it's not without moments of sheer financial panic… but man are we having a blast!
And my kids are learning how to survive on nothing, or maybe more importantly that you CAN survive on nothing. There's a huge amount of freedom and confidence that comes from that. Freedom to try, freedom to fail. To make a career doing something that they love rather than something that will make them wealthy. Freedom to chase the things they really need, rather than the life being sold to them by schools and college and advertising. Freedom feels good.
I don't know why, but this post turned on so many lights for me about what you're aiming for with this blog. I totally get that now, and it's a really interesting and important way to look at homeschooling. Sorry it took me so long
Posted by Bec Oakley on January 24, 2013 at 7:05 pm | permalink |
I wish I had a hired a babysitter like Penelope said. Just a couple hours a week would have made a big difference. I did hire someone to clean the house every other week. It didn't really cost that much and it made life sooo much easier.
Posted by Jana on January 24, 2013 at 10:46 pm | permalink |
Hiring a housecleaner, esp. if you pay a fair wage, could enable another homeschooler. I have been able to make this life work for two years due to flexible and good-paying parttime work that lets my kids tag along — cleaning for women who don't have the time or ability to do it.
Posted by Jennifer on January 27, 2013 at 7:47 am | permalink |
I have problems prioritizing. I mean, sometimes everything seems a priority and nothing has a special priority but I have only so much time and x mound of work I want done so I can move on to xyz.
I empty the dishwasher, go change a diaper, remember I have to sweep so I think I'll be more peaceful if I wash dishes knowing floor is clean, then remember I gotta empty dryer.
Then I am mad that cleaning takes up so much time and I want to do something of value and OMG! would you look at the time! I can't believe this baby has to eat again!
I suck at being a stay at home mom.
Posted by karelys on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 pm | permalink |
For me, it's been easier as my kids have become a little easier. Even though they are only 4 and almost 2, I find that I'm not as bored now that I can take them more places. I figure by the time they are school age, it will be slightly easier. I know parenting has challenges for every age, but for me, just being able to talk to them and do more makes it a lot more fun.
Posted by Karen on January 26, 2013 at 10:01 am | permalink |
There have been a lot of comments about fear of boredom for the mom ('cause it's usually the mom that does the homeschooling), but honestly, I found that homeschooling gave me the opportunity to homeschool myself as well.
Homeschooling taught me many new skills. For example, in the bits of free time I had while homeschooling, I learned how to use computers, build them, fix them and generally keep them going. I learned how to make soap and how to compost with earthworms. I was also able to indulge myself in reading many, many books.
I wouldn't have been able to follow my interests if we hadn't homeschooled.
Posted by Priswell on January 25, 2013 at 11:53 am | permalink |
I so agree with you Priswell. I have never had more freedom to continue with my own interests than since homeschooling. The baby/toddler stage was different (still had that 3 hour naptime everyday, though), but now that my kids are older I am able to do a lot of my own things during the day.
Posted by Sarah M on January 25, 2013 at 2:30 pm | permalink |
One realizes how much is forgotten (or was never learned) in homeschooling. What sold me on it, along with reading John Taylor Gatto and The Teenage Liberation Handbook, was recognizing how much better and more thoroughly I learned the topics explored on my own.
I loved to cook and taught myself to bake with Mom's red-checkered cookbook. I still love to cook. No one made me do it. It's a good hobby as we all need to eat.
I knew more about sharks and, later, Billy the Kid (BTK) than about anything school pushed.
I used to stand in the aquarium at age 13 and spout shark factoids.
I had a lengthy pen pal relationship with a published author of a BTK book and convinced my mom to drive to New Mexico so we could see the locations where things happened.
I homeschooled myself and didn't know it.
Posted by Jennifer on January 27, 2013 at 7:58 am | permalink |
But.. all kids have interests not correlated with school topics – school is the beginning and not the end of knowledge.
Posted by redrock on January 27, 2013 at 11:14 am | permalink |
School was one long game, not an efficient education. I did well and learned a lot in art class, but was only allowed to be in for an hour a day. I would have stayed half the day. They wouldn't let me. As for everything else, it was either too shallow–skimming over–or too deep–getting over my head and losing me. Those things I learned so much about were never introduced in school. I found them through movies and wanted to know "more." So I went to the library. NOT the school library, either. They didn't have "jack" there.
Posted by Jennifer on January 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm | permalink |
so, if I understand correctly, art class was indeed a beginning for you.
Posted by redrock on January 29, 2013 at 3:06 pm | permalink |
You might find the latest New York Magazine interesting… "High School is a Sadistic Institution"…
http://nymag.com/nymag/toc/20130128/
Posted by Simone on January 25, 2013 at 11:58 am | permalink |
Sometimes, I wonder more than just about the cycles cited above, I wonder about the point.
Is the point to make my children into the best people they can be – the happiest, most well-adjusted, with the most suitable job/life/partner to their Myers Briggs type, etc.?
Or is the point for me to be that person?
And what if the two points are mutually exclusive?
Granted I'm a card carrying Gen Xer who, as PT says, will go down in modern history as having the most neglected childhood. But…I like me. And my parents/husband/friends like me. But I wasn't the center of my parents' world. I was an accessory at best. This does not seem to be an uncommon situation throughout history. Our child-centered parenting seems to be relatively new and while GenY was coddled throughout their childhood (much to my generations' disgust) is homeschooling really a way of making sure that Gen Z is even more spoiled?
Posted by kristen on January 25, 2013 at 9:08 pm | permalink |
My friend posted your link on her facebook page. I am happy I came across this post. I think there is a huge misunderstanding on why some parents homeschool. Although you have some very good points this is not the reason for most people. Let me say first that I have many friends that homeschool. I support them. As for my husband and I we do not feel that homeschool is best for are family. Its not because I work because I don't. Its not because I think it will be boring or that I can't do it or I don't love my kids enough. Its because we do not feel that is right for are family. I think being in school is very healthy for kids. I could go on and on on the reasons why we chose not to homeschool.I also could go on and on why I think homeschool is healthy. I love my kids, I am a good mom and they are my world. But just because I don't homeschool doesn't take away all those things. Also let me note I do not agree with going on public assistants to homeschool your kids! I could write a whole page on that one. Bottom line what is right for one family might not be right for another family. The judgment needs to be thrown out the window and making other moms feel shame for not doing what you do is not right.
Posted by Jill on January 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm | permalink |
I meant to say a misunderstanding why parents don't homeschool.
Posted by Jill on January 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm | permalink |
Oh Jill I so agree!!! With everything you said!
I also think filing bankruptcy when you have the means to pay it off…even if it did take 50 years, is morally corrupt. It might be easier (and not to say there aren't some valid reasons to file bankruptcy, but most filing is generally because it is just easier to do so than take responsibility and have some tenacity).
To suggest to do so is unethical in my opinion.
Posted by Rachel on January 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm | permalink |
I agree with Rachel and Jill. I think it is very irresponsible to file bankruptcy or go on public assistance unless you actually NEED to. Do YOU know who is really paying that debt?
Also, some public assistance programs require that parents take classes or work a certain number of hours. That pretty much defeats your purpose of quitting your job to homeschool.
Posted by Tara on January 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm | permalink |
If you think bankruptcy is morally corrupt then don't do it. But it's totally legal to do in the US. So maybe you should write to your congressional representative.
We have high-risk lending in this country, so we have bankruptcy.
Judging whether or not someone should declare bankruptcy is pretty tricky business. I think you'd be on higher moral ground complaining to the lenders than the debtors.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm | permalink |
An excellent article and one I think that a lot of people need to hear. I was just talking to a friend who is a new mom about how boredom
for both $ and boredom
is the hardest part. But I would also like to add that we personally have cut all these corners – and learning to cook and make our own laundry soap etc. – and are barely making it. It is hard to ignore the fact that I could be drawing a second income once they are old enough for public school. Just saying I understand that worry and temptation and its not always about thinking you need to pay to go to the zoo once a week. Parks and moms groups are our best friends
Posted by Michelle on January 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm | permalink |
I couldn't disagree with you more. Where to start? Well, the thing that bothers me the most is how judgmental your post is. Where's the encouragement to find creative solutions to financial obstacles? Homeschoolers are known for them. Your suggestion to go into bankruptcy is telling your children they don't have to honor their debts. Why not reference solutions that work that are responsible? Dave Ramsey is an excellent way to pay off debt quickly and efficiently. And your response to Renee was judgmental and insensitive and assuming much. I have never read your blog and probably won't in the future. It's hard to take that first step, it's only harder when a homeschooling community is judging her instead of helping her down the road to discovering a way to make it happen in a positive light. I hope you will consider edification when you write in the future. A gentle answer turns away wrath.
Posted by Kathy on January 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm | permalink |
Well said Kathy!
Posted by Rachel on January 26, 2013 at 8:20 pm | permalink |
I am afraid my daughter won't listen to me and do her work. I know I am smart enough even though my husband tries to make me feel like I can't do it. I know I can. I just don't want it to turn into a battle to get her to learn. Cause then it won't be fun for her. I want to homeschool, but even when I try to get her to do simple things, she has melt downs.
Posted by Shelly Smith on January 26, 2013 at 9:03 pm | permalink |
If you leave her alone, she'll learn on her own. She's not going to stare at the wall all day. She's going to explore whatever she is curious about. And that's what learning is. So give that a chance. See what she does. It's normal for a kid to want to learn the way they want to learn. It's abnormal for a kid to want to be told what to learn — the same way it would be abnormal for an adult to be told what to read. We love reading if we read what we want. Kids love learning if they learn what they want.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 26, 2013 at 11:12 pm | permalink |
Six months ago I left the practice of law after 17 years and am homeschooling my kids. We took an almost 50% hit in our household income and my husband's job is somewhat unstable. However, all I can see are positive changes in my kids. They are slowly realizing that learning happens all the time and that its FUN. They "get" that learning doesn't only happen while sitting in a classroom reading books. We have curricula that I hand picked for each subject but we do an incredible amount of hands on and real life supplementation. As an African American family, I can say that it is totally worth the sacrifice when considering the alternatives that are available in school, whether it be public or private.
To some of the reasons for not homeschooling that I have heard, I have the following responses:
1. My kids won't listen to me or do anything that I tell them. All I can say to this is WOW, it sounds like you have a lot of family issues to work out, which could be addressed by spending more time with your kids homeschooling. That's because homeschooling forces the parent to spend time every day focusing on the child. What kid wouldn't want that?
2. We can't take the hit on our monthly income. Even my husband felt this way and, up until the day I put in my notice and then brought my stuff home from the office, he couldn't belive I was going to leave my job. But guess what? We haven't spiraled into bankruptcy and he finally admits seeing a vast improvement in our kids' attitudes and aptitudes.
3. I would be bored. I find that I am not bored at all. I allow the kids to run us down all kinds of rabbit holes as we do our work and explore our world. I am learning world history for the first time (I mean actually learning and not just memorizing facts for a test). I know every part of an airplane and how it works and how airplanes fly. I now understand the physics behind how simple machines work. The point is, homeschooling allows kids to be inquisitive and forces a parent to research and learn a tremendous amount of information just to keep up with the kids.
By the way, my kids are 5 and 4. I think my 5 year old is gifted so the mental exercise in keeping up with him is actually more taxing at times than practicing the law.
For those who are offended by Penelope's judgements, yes, she is a lot more straightforward than the typical homeschool mom bloggers who will tell you to go and pray about your decision, but hey, its her job to be controversial. There is a lot of truth to what she says if you try not to take it personal.
Posted by Judy on January 27, 2013 at 12:56 pm | permalink |
I agree with homeschooling forcing you to solve parenting or parent-child relationship issues. I wasn't sure how I was going to be able to spend this much time with my kids, which seems sort of weird to think about now.
When they were in school there was so much time spent dealing with getting them there, picking them up, school activities and expectations. Then add in outside activities on top of it. It is like you are always late or hurrying or running to get somewhere. You don't realize how stessful and unnatural that is to family life and relationships until it is all gone.
Posted by Julie on January 27, 2013 at 5:00 pm | permalink |
Don't forget the worst effect of school on parent-child relationships: the homework.
If school is like jail, you are one of the trusties. School doesn't just bore and frustrate your children, it drafts you into the process of boring and frustrating your children.
It's very nice to clear the air of that, so you can both be on the same side again.
Posted by Gareth on January 28, 2013 at 6:09 am | permalink |
Yes, but when you are doing it, it is very hard to see that. It is very easy to have that be your normal because it is how life is for most people. That is how we all grew up. Very few people question it. After homeschooling for a while it becomes clear how bad it was to live that way. But if you try to explain that to people who still are, well, very few of them get it.
Posted by Julie on January 28, 2013 at 9:58 am | permalink |
I think PT makes some good points as well as some really bad judgements. I think homeschooling is totally possible for everyone who wants to do it. SAHM or SAHD are homeschooling and having their spouse bring in one income. Single parents while working are homeschooling and they have different childcare situations. Two income families are homeschooling as well.
Too say that you can move into a cheap neighborhood in today's market isn't always easy neither is finding a job that is in that area or close enough to make it feasible. Also living via financial assistance just to be able to homeschool is that really a responsible way of living.
I think the most important thing is to make sure that your child is thriving and that your relationship with your child and or spouse doesn't pay the consequence for either choice. Whether that choice is to homeschool or to school children in a school setting. I think we need to let people decide what is best for their families.
We have 4 children which we homeshool, my husband works FT and I work PT.
Posted by Debbie on January 27, 2013 at 4:59 pm | permalink |
My husband and I both work and our children are homeschooled. There are some jobs that are flexible enough, and pay enough, for the parents to work and the children to be homeschooled.
We do not unschool, but I would think that unschooling would make work and homeschooling even easier.
Penelope, it seems to me that you work too. Your blogs, your seminars — aren't they work?
Posted by Helen on January 28, 2013 at 10:03 am | permalink |
I am always mildly amused when people say they don't want to pay for the welfare of others through their taxes, and yet their taxes do in fact pay for government-funded day care disguised as public school. I read somewhere that public education costs over $10,000 PER KID PER YEAR!! So unless you pay over 10 grand in taxes each year, your child's public education is indeed being paid for by someone else – and that doesn't take into account that public ed
Posted by Tanya on January 28, 2013 at 10:26 am | permalink |
…take into account the fact that public education is only a percentage of your tax bill.
Posted by Tanya on January 28, 2013 at 10:31 am | permalink |
tanya, well said!! not only does taxpayers money get used on schools, its used to pay people working within the government, soldiers, doctors, firemen etc…so – many of us are living off the taxpayer! even those handing out welfare cheques are paid by taxpayers money. without taxpayers there would be lack of money to fund society.
as for being bored, being scared of being stuck with your kids, how would THEY feel if they could see what mummy was writing? ive never once been bored or wished i could have a 'break'. my first child was still born and tive never ever wished to have a break from my 2nd child who is now 7. enjoy each moment. enough said.
Posted by ina on January 28, 2013 at 6:36 pm | permalink |
thats meant to say I've, not tive
Posted by ina on January 28, 2013 at 6:38 pm | permalink |
I am not scared I will be bored — ok actually I'm a little scared of that – but what I am really scared of is being INSANE. Honestly… Spending 24/7 with my kids seems really scary and daunting. It's just a LOT of time to spend together. Won't we drive each other nuts?? Anyone have feedback on this? This is probably my #1 fear of homeschooling. We'll always be… together.
Posted by Andrea on January 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm | permalink |
How old are your children?
When mine were very small, they were demanding. Mom look at this, Mom let's this-and-that. I took them on long jogging stroller walks just to get us out and manage my need for semi-silence.
Now they are grade school age. We are together-but-separate. The more we are together, the less it feels intrusive. We "do school" a few hours a day. We learn how each other are best loved. My daughter makes mini videos and drawings. I look at them out of love for her. My son likes to talk deeply about social issues and YouTube videos and games. I listen out of love for him. My kids know what I love (Zen music & knitting & walks) and they let me have it because they love me.
You learn one another so well.
Posted by Jennifer on January 28, 2013 at 12:36 pm | permalink |
They are 3 and 6 and yes, they are demanding. Yup lots of "Mom look at this, mom can I have, mom can you get, mom can we go, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom…"
Posted by Andrea on January 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm | permalink |
Insanity was my second biggest worry when we were thinking about homeschooling. We did it anyway and I am still mostly sane, as much as I was before anyway. We figured out how to be together because we had to do so. When my kids were in school the summers were long. I looked forward to school starting. But I don't feel that way anymore. I enjoy time to myself of course, but homeschooling forced us to learn how to be together. And it is easier as they get older and are more independent. My teen pretty much does her own thing. She is very self directed. My seven year old still needs lots of attention, but she likes to go off and do her own thing too. I was much less of a problem than I anticipated before we started.
Posted by Julie on January 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm | permalink |
Wow! There are so many emotions that go into parenting.
I want the single parents out there to know how much I admire and appreciate them. I have the most wonderful wife in the world and it's still hard for me to be a good dad. In a few years, we plan on homeschooling our kids and I feel so blessed to have my wife to do the teaching while I "bring the bacon."
Penelope, thank you for the good points you made about making sacrifices to homeschool kids. But of course, we all recognize that we can't sacrifice something we don't have. I wish everyone could have as great a spouse as I do, and I pray for those who don't even though they probably deserve it.
Posted by Young Dad on January 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I read unschooling blogs (especially yours!) all the time, I love John Holt and John Taylor Gatto, and I would theoretically love to unschool. But I know my own limitations. I'm an incorrigibly bad disciplinarian to a pair of wild boys who could really use a strong hand and who seem to respond positively when others apply it. This makes it very difficult to have a productive day with me as their main support, by anyone's definition, as they waste many hours a day just rebelling against me–even if I don't "engage" them.
Here's what my darling twins do when they are not in (their short, 3-hour) kindergarten. They fight, they break furniture and lamps and other household items, they beg to eat/eat *incessantly*, they steal food when I finally say "enough," they break and render unusable any and every toy, no matter how beloved, etc. Their bar for what's "fun" is super high (how? we didn't spoil them, or deprive them) and they call me names when their every whim is not met, they throw lengthy tantrums daily about any unmet request, they sabotage even fun outings they themselves asked for by repeatedly unfastening their seatbelts, fighting, and so on–basically, they don't run the show, but neither do I because of all the time wasted. It's constant chaos. (That's not to say they aren't delightful too–silly, zany, adorable, loving, and full of exuberant boy energy–but still.)
Also–if I'm honest–I'm not really intellectually curious, and so am not the best person to encourage a child's intellectual growth even if I *could* get these children to settle down. Yes, I see them failing to–even–learn more than a few letters and numbers in school, despite being just shy of 6, and being given lots of personal attention by competent and personable teachers and aides. But could I do better? If I unschooled them, we would go to children's museums and playgrounds all day, and essentially continue doing exactly what we did when they were of preschool age (not that they went to preschool! they were too much to handle–even in separate classes)–i.e. boys seek pleasure and fun, and mom moderates things to a basically rational range. Their interests and intellectual ability have seemed pretty constant for the past 2-3 (!!) years–the result of my "unschooling," give-them-space philosophy at home? Maybe this is ok… but maybe the big unschooling secret is that parental modeling/good genes/etc. are the reason your kids can, say, play video games all day and still (as already seems obvious) grow into passionate, creative, successful adults–while mine, perhaps, cannot.
Posted by leora on January 30, 2013 at 1:39 am | permalink |
Maybe I just got lucky to have such enormously interesting kids, but I have never found this to be a problem. I was terrified before I had kids that I would find them as boring as I found most other people's children. I planned to go back to work. After my first son was born, though, the thought of leaving him for 40+ hours every week seemed really stupid. It was clear he needed me, and I found him fascinating.
Financially, I guess it's been hard. My husband didn't speak English very well when we moved here, and he didn't really like being a stay-at-home parent, either, mostly because he has a very traditional concept of a father's role in the family. My older son is almost 8 now, and we've only been above the official poverty line for about 2 years of his life. My kids' only care about that because I am noticeably calmer and less fatigued than I was when we were really poor (I used to work online at nights, so it was a rare night that I slept more than a few hours).
But I don't get bored with my own kids. They are so naturally curious about everything that we do a lot of fun stuff that we all enjoy. We do a lot of science and art projects, play a lot of fun games, do a lot of hiking. I find that I get excited about things I would never have cared about before, just because they're excited about it. I never used to really notice bugs or birds, but they love them, so we learn about them, and it is interesting.
You talk a lot about encouraging curiosity and fostering lifelong learning, and I think this is probably at the root of the problem. If one's own curiosity has waned, then kids seem boring because they want to know about things adults stopped being curious about a long time ago. I used to be one of these very jaded types, so easily bored or whatever. That was stupid. The world all around us is fascinating. Watching babies grow, if you really watch them and how they develop and gain language, is fascinating if you have much curiosity about the world at all. I've been overjoyed and very grateful that, through my kids, I've become so much more curious about everything than I was in early adulthood. When my older son used to ask questions about bugs, a subject I knew nothing about and didn't care at all about, at first I found it boring. But as we read more books about them and learned more startling things about the insect world, we both grew more and more interested. It's very easy in adult life to not care about bugs or earthworms, but if you let yourself remember your childish curiosity, their interests can be really interesting.
Posted by Julie on January 30, 2013 at 4:15 pm | permalink |
That pretty much IS why we don't homeschool and that's ok. I think we are a better family for it. With 3 girls all close in age we all just need a little space, friends, life of our own. We are a very close family and there's no one I'd rather do things with than my husband and children. But that breathing room during the day when they are in school, I believe, makes me a better mother. God has blessed us tremendously with an excellent Christian school nearby. So for now we that is what we do….maybe it'll change someday. We take one year at a time.
Posted by Laura on January 31, 2013 at 2:31 pm | permalink |
This was my first time viewing your blog and will be my last. I found your article lacked any merit. You offer no proof you simply make a claim and expect people to believe it. Secondly you seem to live in lala land where its better to move your family into the ghetto where they can get shot, robbed, raped, murdered, ect then put them in public school. And somehow in your mind that means that the parents just dont want to spent time with their child.
Posted by Alisha on February 5, 2013 at 9:59 pm | permalink |
Hahahaha. I love how you have twisted her suggestion to move into a lower cost home into letting your kids get murdered and raped. I can find a nice trailer around here for like $300 a month including utilities. Now sure its not gonna be in the nice big city with a million sites and events and museums but it certainly is low cost! And yeah, its a trailer. That sucks. But thats her point. If its what people really really wanted they could make some sacrifices, take some risks and make homeschooling work– without the rape or the murder, thank you.
Perhaps if more children were properly schooled, the internet would not run so rampant with the misreading and misinterpretation of commentary and its ugly consequence, the ill-thought out and hyperbolic response.
(Of course insert caveat here–since I'll get a dozen tearjerkers if I dont– that there will always be exceptions. Yes, I DO understand some people are in super extenuating, terrible situations that will prevent them from doing even something that they really truly want very badly to do– such as homeschooling. But these are outliers and a person in a truly insurmountable situation will be a very rare occurrence indeed.)
Posted by Danielle on February 8, 2013 at 10:07 pm | permalink |
I won't go into the hs vs regular s debate. but i'd just like to point out that even if you don't send your kids to school, you did choose to pay a teacher to teach your kid skateboarding! I mean, that is a skill children generally learn on their own, with their own ups and downs, all their curiosity and effort and grit… regardless of the academic, regular education they get… How come you chose such a "school" mindset approach?
Posted by marta on February 7, 2013 at 8:15 am | permalink |
I homeschool and LOVE it. I love being home. I love our community.
The only reason (so far) that I've seen that we'd ever have to give up homeschooling is because even with my husband's more than full-time job and my part-time jobs as an adjunct college teacher, we struggle financially to make things work.
All day today I was stressed about having enough food for my growing kids.
We don't take vacations. We live in a low-income neighborhood. We live quite simply.
I'm a fan of your blog and generally admire your opinions. But your assumptions here are really hard for me to take, because I feel like you must not understand financial hardship.
Like I said, I hope to never stop homeschooling. That's not the problem I'm having, The hard part for me is that you're assuming you know what it's like for people to struggle financially, and it sounds like you are talking about wealthy people, if you are talking about giving up vacations, etc.
Posted by Melissa on February 13, 2013 at 8:17 pm | permalink |
A very interesting read – but I feel that there is one big issue with your argument about debt, particularly your suggestion for filing bankruptcy if things are that bad. There's a majority of two income families to whom bankruptcy would not help because the bulk of their debt comes from student loans, the majority of which are not dismissed with a bankruptcy claim. If they did file for bankruptcy they would find themselves with ruined credit (and there are many areas in the country where it is still cheaper to own than to rent if you are frugal enough and don't have your eyes set on a McMansion – our college town is a prime example), the possibility of repo'ed possessions including home furnishing, cars and even sentimental family heirlooms and still not have rid themselves of the worst of their debt.
Now, I will say that one area I think you leave out is that too many folks think that homeschooling needs to follow an 8-3 schedule like a regular school or that one parent needs to be the sole "teacher". If you break out of that mentality there are more ways for a family to earn that money they might truly need while still homeschooling. Who's to say your HS-ing can't be on the weekends or in the late afternoon if that's what could get a parent down from full time to part time. While this might be tricky for parents with young children, once a child is old enough to be left alone for a few hours (particularly in the junior high/high school years when more people should be considering homeschooling) it could really opening up more routes for a family to school the way that's needed while still staying on top of their finances.
Posted by Molly W. on February 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm | permalink |
I'm really not sure what country you're living in; I'm assuming the U.S., but it seems like you're on a different planet.
I'm a homeschooling parent, and wanted to be from my daughter's birth but couldn't. Why? Because of money. Because I had to earn money so we could have a place to live. This article assumes too many things: 1) that all homeschoolers or people who want to homeschool are married and/or partnered, 2) that they own their home and the mortgage is paid off or the interest rate is low, and 3) that the partner making the primary income (not the one doing most of the day-to-day homeschooling) earns enough to afford shelter, food, clothing, utilities, and basic needs for at least two adults and one child.
For me, it was never enough about living within walking distance to cultural centers. I can take a bus or drive to something I want my children to experience. But I do want to live in a place where there's a bit of earth, not just concrete, where we can easily access whole, organic foods, and not just brightly colored packages of GMO corn in its myriad styles.
When my daughter was born almost 13 years ago now, even with two incomes, we couldn't make the rent. I spent most of my pregnancy eating pasta with a sauce I made myself. There was absolutely no way for us to homeschool in such a situation. When my partner left us when our daughter was 9 months old, I had even less, and believe me, government assistance didn't afford us more than Walgreen's pasta and a can of paste; I rented out tiny rooms in homes where the housemates were hostile to having a child (and sometimes a woman) in the house, but they were all I could afford on what I was given — often every check from the government to see us through until I got a new job went directly to our rent and NOTHING else. There wasn't anything left after that.
I'm pregnant with my second child, and while my current partner is struggling to make his mortgage on two software jobs because no one is paying him what he's worth, I'm finally able to homeschool, and have been for the last four years, even the last year I was at university. We go to the library a lot (a short distance from our house) and a park not too far away. We visit friends in the city once a week, and when my mother was still alive, she'd buy us tickets to the opera as gifts for every holiday or birthday. My daughter and I find deals on camps, workshops, and other things that interest her. And until my mother's passing, we'd go to visit her in Germany once every couple of years. It works, and I know we can manage with where we are now.
But not everyone who wants to homeschool can be dismissed as being able to if they just change their priorities. It's a highly narrow view of the world. Not everyone agrees that those "vacations" are unnecessary — I strongly believe, as do other homeschoolers, that seeing other parts of the country and other parts of the world are quite important to a well-rounded education. There are ways to manage it with budgeting and looking for good deals, but only if you already have enough of an income TO SAVE in the first place.
Also, your comment about there no longer being debtors prisons? I suppose you haven't been reading up on new legislation in Arkansas. The new law can land a renter in jail if their rent is even a day late, depending on the whims of the landlord in question. This law imprisoned over 1,200 renters in 2012 alone.
Not everyone lives a comfy middle class, suburban life, and while there are many who might like to homeschool, don't dismiss those who genuinely need to bring in that income, whether it's a second income, or the only one.
Posted by Raven on February 28, 2013 at 11:50 pm | permalink |
Initially I didn't homeschool my son because I didn't enroll him in VPK and tried to homeschool him for that. I thought I would end up killing him-He was so stubborn and didn't want to learn from me. Here's how it went.
ME:Nick what is this letter (pointing to B) Nick: U?… D?
He just guessed and you could tell he was guessing.
Enter any random person and ask him the same thing and he would get it right.
I honestly thought he wouldn't learn from me.
After just one semester in KG (PS) and many, many… many behavior problems and with the encouragement of a couple homeschool families at my church we looked into homeschool a little deeper and realized that it really was the better choice for us as Christians and for our sons (to keep them from brainwashing by the govt).
And guess what? He learns from me!! it is so much easier than I thought it would be. Now it's only been a few months and every now and then I panic thinking I'm going to forget to teach him something important.. and then I take a deep breath a pray and realize that it's going to be ok and if I"m teaching him about God, that's all that matters.
Posted by Cathy on April 6, 2013 at 9:27 am | permalink |