
The most arrogant, out-of-control part of the homeschool movement is the idea that "homeschooling is not right for everyone."
What does that mean? That you are special because you can homeschool but not everyone is as special as you?
This week, Time magazine reports that US public schools are worse than any schools in the developed world. New York magazine reported that poor kids do way worse in public school than rich kids do, and that kids of uneducated parents do way worse than kids of educated parents. Finally, the Heritage Foundation reports that most homeschoolers perform higher than average on state testing – regardless of the household income of the homeschooler.
So we need to squash the delusional, self-aggrandizing idea based in classism that "homeschooling is not for everyone."
Here's another way to think about it. We know that breastfeeding is very important for babies. It gives kids a boost in their immune system, and other health benefits, but it also gives emotional benefits related to the connection with the mom and the baby.
However breastfeeding is really hard. It hurts at the beginning. It doesn't work at the beginning. The baby cries more because milk comes slowly. The mom cannot pass the task off to someone else, and she's already exhausted. (You don't see this in my picture, but trust me, it was there.)
On top of that, the recommended time to breastfeed is two years. This is really really hard for moms who have to go to work at a job at a fast-food restaurant. Where will they pump? And, by the way, I ask that question knowing that it's number 93 on the list of problems a new mom has if she works at a fast-food restaurant.
So it's easy to say that only moms who have a support system in place, and do not have to work full-time outside the home should breastfeed. But we don't say that. Because it's not true. All moms should breastfeed for two years. We have solid proof that this is best for the baby's development. And, given the range of benefits to the baby, it's safe to say that having all women breastfeeding for two years is best for society as well.
So now here's my experience breastfeeding both kids for two years. I'm not going to dwell on the fact that every time I breastfed a one-year-old on the subway in New York City, someone would come over to me and tell me the kid was too old and I was disgusting.
What I'm going to tell you is that I was the breadwinner for the family, we were so poor at times that I cashed out my 401K, both kids were born with special needs, and we got eviction notices regularly. I also had a nervous breakdown and put a knife into my head and had to go to the hospital for mental health issues.
Still, would you really say that my kids would have been better off with me gone from them? Should I have worked outside the home because we were poor? Or on the edge of sanity? Or overwhelmed with other issues besides taking care of kids?
No. We had a hard life that was going to be hard whether I breastfed or not. Breastfeeding was really hard, and I got no sleep for five years, while I supported the family, but the decision to breastfeed is still right.
And I could make the same argument for staying home with kids. Wikipedia, of all places, comes right out and says that all the research about attachment points to kids needing a single caregiver during the first year of birth. This is not controversial. We can, with certainty, say that all babies should have a single person taking care of them for the first year. And, it's probably going to be the mom.
Given that data, are you really going to say that breastfeeding is only right for some people? Why? You'd be lying. And the same is true with homeschooling.
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We don't say "homeschooling is not right for everyone" to be classist. We say it to make people feel better because they are not homeschooling their kids. I suspect most people know homeschooling is better. Deep down.
But if I had to homeschool my friend's kid, with ADHD and tourette's, I'm pretty sure I'd lose it.
Which, frankly, is another reason to homeschool. The schools have to help all the kids with ADHD, tourette's, dyslexia, …
I only have to teach my kids and they have problems that I understand. (We just have the crazy gene, and I understand that, having dealt with it all my life. My sister's kids eat table legs, and she understands that because she had big SI issues.)
Posted by Gwen Nicodemus on November 8, 2011 at 1:29 am | permalink |
"We don’t say “homeschooling is not right for everyone” to be classist. We say it to make people feel better because they are not homeschooling their kids. I suspect most people know homeschooling is better. Deep down."
Exactly! I used to say this, but I stopped. Because anyone can homeschool, even those who work full time outside the home can do it. So I don't say it anymore. Ever.
Penelope you blew the top of my head off with this post. You are so right. I love this comparison and can't believe I didn't come up with it myself!
Posted by Carrie on November 8, 2011 at 9:06 am | permalink |
not the same thing: breastfeeding and homeschooling. While breastfeeding is better on many levels, many many kids grow up with bottles and do extremely well. Some moms cannot breastfeed for none of the reasons cited above. It is not always about wanting to do a certain thing!
And why everybody commenting here seems to say that homeschooling is better and EVERYBODY knows it, this is not the case. People not homeschooling might do so because they actually are convinced that homeschooling is not the best way to go, and the reason is not necessarily the social contact with other kids. It is only the first thing which comes to mind.
I realize this is a blog about homeschooling, based on the assumption that homeschooling is the one and only legitimate way to go – it is not. There is a certain percentage of kids (about 20-30%) who will thrive in nearly any schooling environment, there are those who are very intelligent who will catch up fast if they need to do it to get into a college, but there are many who will not thrive. Teaching well is difficult, a teacher has to have a grasp of the material which is superior to that of the pupil or student, and while you mind know your kid best, you still might be a lousy teacher, whether you stay home of not.
I am convinced that the percentage of functional literacy will go down even more if the percentage of homeschoolers becomes very high. After all there is a very good reason schools were invented (no, it was not to keep the masses quiet and have worker bees – that one is much easier accomplished if people can not read).
Posted by redrock on November 8, 2011 at 3:54 am | permalink |
Actually you are mistaken. The US was terrifically literate prior to mandatory public schools. In JP Gattos book, dumbing Us Down, he cites multiple studies that show the US had over 90% literacy. By some measures even higher. The first generation that utilized public schools actually performed worse on the military entrance exams than did the generation mainly homeschooled. The reasons we have public schooling have very little to do with the ideal education and everything to do with factory training and preparation. Your assertion that literacy rates would decrease is simply not empirically true, nor particularly logical given how poorly our schools do teaching kids to be even functionally literate. By any measure, our literacy rates are dismal. Dianne McGuiness explains in her book, Why Our Kids Cant Read and what We can do About it" that at best, 5% of our population could read at what the National Literacy Counsel determined to be a level 5. Level 5 being the ability to read and utilize jury instructions. Rates are far worse for minority students in urban settings.
Although homeschooling cannot be demonstrated to universally improve scores, truly it would be difficult to do much worse than our current system. Universal homeschooling may not be economically feasible but it likely would improve literacy.
I am a certified public school teacher by the way and have seen first hand how out schools are failing many children.
Posted by Laurie Betz on April 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm | permalink |
Yes, the US had almost 90% literacy. Our literacy has only increased since then. Please feel free to look at the table under "literacy."
http://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp
Seriously, this entire page makes me so upset from all the inaccuracies.
Posted by Kay on March 8, 2013 at 3:02 pm | permalink |
You may have heard stories of babies failing to thrive, occasionally dying, because the breastfeeding mother was not producing milk or feeding often enough. I believe that almost all women can physically breastfed if problems are resolved, but there's something else wrong when you let your baby starve though you think you're doing the best thing.
My view is not based on how well a parent can teach subjects because as a homeschooler I know that is not the challenge.
It sounds almost naive to say that everyone can homeschool. It's not about income or education per se. Providing a healthy home life is not innate any more. Not everyone will be conscientious or even self-aware enough to improve it.
Some children find school the only place they find a book or paper for writing or hear discussion of anything in the wider world. For some, school is the place they have a sober, lucid adult. Some children find school the only place they get relief from constant berating, control and abuse. For a lot of others the parent is just checked out and the child is unsupervised or neglected. Maybe you think that child would do better homeschooling anyway. I'm not convinced.
In your travels you must have met these people and it surprises me that you don't question whether school has any value in the balance of such a child's life.
Posted by Zellie on November 8, 2011 at 5:48 am | permalink |
I was a kid who was getting beaten up at home. When there was someone at home. And for the most part, there was no one at home. I didn't brush my teeth til I was a teen, to give you an idea of the neglect going on. And I was removed from my home at 16.
I did not find refuge or support at school. I was a discipline problem, I never did my homework, I couldn't get to school on time. I remember, for the longest time, being absolutely stunned at how slowly other kids learned and bored out of my mind waiting for them to do it.
I also remember wishing some kid would take me home with them. I kept looking for another family to attach myself to.
I tell you this to tell you that me being homeschooled would have not been worse. I probably would have figured out something to do with myself. I would have had my brother with me all day. That would have been nice. I missed him during the day when we were separated into classrooms.
I think school does not fix neglect and loneliness. In some cases it emphasizes it without giving any solution. I think a lot of people who imagine what the problem might be like also imagine school is a solution to that problem. I'm not that convinced.
In fact, as I write this I think that as a society we see a kid who is in a lot of trouble and we think we, as individuals, that don't need to do anything because the school will take care of it. So maybe, in this way, school actually means less support from society for the kids who need it.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on November 8, 2011 at 7:49 am | permalink |
Ohhhhhhh Penelope….you absolutely and completely break my heart with this post. COMPLETELY!!! I am in tears at this comment. I LOVE you blog and thank God you were able to survive and thrive despite that childhood and the hard times you grew up to have as a new young family. I mean really….your boys are sooooo fortunate to have a mom who tries soooooo hard to do DIFFERNTLY than she had growing up. When you know better…you DO better. I'm right there with yua…I'm trying…everyday I struggle and the next day I ask for forgiveness for the hitting, screaming, scolding, shaming and belittling and I try to breathe and start all over again.
Posted by Niecie on March 8, 2012 at 12:09 am | permalink |
Niece, I can see by what you wrote that you really care about your kids and that you are struggling. There is a class called "Love and Logic" that many of my friends have taken that might help you with how to handle things. If you are regularly hitting and yelling at and demoralizing your kids, I strongly urge you to get help in dealing with your anger (or whatever the issue is). Your local school district or hospital or library should be able to help you get started (maybe even without identifying yourself).
Posted by Karen on September 10, 2012 at 3:09 pm | permalink |
This was a sarcastic comment, right? I mean, that last paragraph it's just you mocking… can't make myself believe it's true.
Posted by Vanessa on January 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm | permalink |
I think homeschooling very much depends on how well a parent can teach. Why do we always shout that the school teachers are not good, not qualified. not whatever, and then don't ask parents to provide good schooling? School is not a place where to keep the kids, schools are primarily places of learning, that many use them otherwise is one of the biggest problems of schools and distracts from their true purpose and intention.
Posted by redrock on November 8, 2011 at 6:02 am | permalink |
The problem is the school setting is not conducive to natural learning, so a teacher needs skill to get kids to know something in a style and environment contrary to exploration and self-determination, foundations to normal learning.
In the home one can observe the natural learning process and know that knowledge does not have to be inserted into the mind of the child if he is permitted to gather it himself. Teachers don't have the luxury of allowing this to happen.
Posted by Zellie on November 8, 2011 at 7:24 am | permalink |
I am very naive about homeschooling, and I'm not originally from the US, so apologies for my question, but don't kids have to pass specific exams here too? on specific and diverse disciplines if they want to have any certificate of education or degree to put one day on their CVs?
In Portugal you have to pass specific Exams on the 9th year and 12th year of secondary school, for example, in order to have a certificate that grants you the minimum mandatory education if you want to get any job as an adult. These exams cover several subjects and years of content.
What does a homeschooled kid puts on his CV when he becomes an adult if he only wanted to study bugs while he was growing up?
How can any parent educate a kid on Math, Languages, History, Science, etc, or know the kid is on the right path on those, if the parent is not knowledgeable on any of these things?
How do kids here get a secondary school certificate or any proof of education or apply to a university?
I'm not critizing, honestly, I really want to know as I think homeschooling can be a good thing if done right, but have no clue how you do it.
Posted by Vanessa on January 12, 2013 at 7:17 pm | permalink |
Hi, Vanessa. Homeschool kids still have to take exams, but they are generally very easy for kids to pass. It takes a homeschooler about one hour to learn everything a kid learns in school in eight hours. So homeschoolers generally do better on state exams than non-homeschoolers.
As for college degrees, if you have a lot of work experience, most employers in the US don't hold the degree against you. Experience counts for a lot in the US.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 13, 2013 at 5:13 pm | permalink |
Actually, testing depends entirely on which state you live in, as do all homeschool regulations. Many states on the east coast have more stringent requirements, and the state departments of education give parents a lot less control. Midwest and further tend more towards letting parents sign a waiver, some once, some every year (like Utah where I live), and that's it. Being from the east coast and quite liberal minded for Utah, I actually relish the lack of government control over what and how I teach my kids. It's one of the few, very few, things I like here.
Posted by Adrienne Sweat on April 11, 2013 at 11:09 pm | permalink |
"School is not a place where to keep the kids, … ".
Exactly.
As a kid educated in the public school system, I really liked the relatively very few field trips we went on. The public schools could start there in their effort to reform. Get the kids out more to see and experience the "real world".
Posted by Mark W. on November 8, 2011 at 7:44 am | permalink |
The reality is that people who decide to take their kids out of school to homeschool them are *often*, not always, going to be people for whom education is very important. It's not easy to go against the grain, perhaps adjust to a single-income household, etc. One has to believe that the public school is not providing what it should. So the idea that homeschoolers would be parents who hold their kids back from an otherwise good life at school is utterly silly and improbable. Not everyone *will* homeschool, plain and simple. But those who decide to do so, and move heaven and earth to make it work, will almost always succeed with stunning results.
Posted by Hannah on November 8, 2011 at 6:17 am | permalink |
yes, I do think you are correct: it is self-selection. But the point on this blog seems to be that everybody should homeschool, and that it is not just for those who do it anyway for intellectual or religious reasons. It also means that the statistics about performance of home school versus school kids is completely meaningless.
Posted by redrock on November 8, 2011 at 6:23 am | permalink |
Except in the documented cases of children who struggled in the traditional school setting, were then homeschooled, and did much, much better. This happens quite often, acually. In these cases, it's clear that one way worked better than another. This is not to say that some children won't do well no matter how they're educated. I have a child in that category.
Posted by Hannah on November 8, 2011 at 6:31 am | permalink |
Mainly the stats mean that people's arguing that homeschooling is bad is not supported by test scores.
Posted by Zellie on November 8, 2011 at 7:16 am | permalink |
no the statement that Homeschooling is bad is not supported by test scores, but you are comparing to different populations of kids. In that way the comparison can not be made, well, it can be made, but it is meaningless.
Posted by redrock on November 8, 2011 at 9:05 am | permalink |
If you aren't a homeschooling supporter, then why are you even reading and commenting on this blog?
Posted by Adrienne Sweat on April 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm | permalink |
OK, now you are my hero! You are just brazen period and I, for one, am right there with you. Breastfeeding a 2+ year old with the 4 year old in tow…homeschooling because it IS the right thing for them and remembering daily that I brought them into this world and I owe them my best shot.
Posted by Monica on November 8, 2011 at 6:54 am | permalink |
This post reminds me of the difficult time you had with your local public school this year. They wouldn't negotiate with you some mutually agreeable solution and accommodate you and younger son (or maybe both) needs. They seemed to be very inflexible. I think eventually, if public schools continue with this mentality, they will break as surely in an as many pieces as that clay pot (that will be fired) your son was making on the potter's wheel (earlier post).
Posted by Mark W. on November 8, 2011 at 7:28 am | permalink |
I say that to people All the time.Some parents could probably not handle the stress of trying to decide how to homeschool their kids. Then they would not be nice to their kids.
It takes a secure parent to go against societal norms and decide to homeschool.
I think everyone could do it but they don't have the confidence to do it.
And just like with breast feeding …if you are worried that they are getting enough…look at the output. I've written about this before. As a homeschool mom it's hard to see the growth because it happens in a small way every day.
BTW…I breast fed both my kids until they were 1 Maybe there is a correlation between parents who do hard things and those who homeschool.
Jana
Posted by Jana Miller on November 8, 2011 at 9:09 am | permalink |
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Posted by Jana Miller on November 8, 2011 at 9:10 am | permalink |
Not everything is so black and white Penelope. Each situation warrants a decision based on the present circumstances. A mother experiencing a nervous breakdown might benefit from taking a short break and allowing a friend or relative to help with the baby.
I think if you were willing to introduce the concept of compromise into your parenting ideology, you might find the experience less stressful.
Parenting is a constant roller coaster with ups and downs. I have been doing it for the past 26 years and could not find a more fulfilling and challenging job.
I advise opening yourself up to see beyond the barriers you seem to set up for yourself. It really can be easier than you think!
You clearly are a caring, loving mom, but relax a bit Penelope! Enjoy the ride, don't obsess about the small stuff or you risk missing out on the joy of the minutia.
Posted by Jennifer Soodek on November 8, 2011 at 10:22 am | permalink |
I don't think you've ever fully addressed how homeschooling is supposed to work in a household where both parents' incomes are necessary and the mom (the one who, as you've pointed out, will most likely be doing the homeschooling) has a job/career that requires her to be present at work for at least 8 hours a day.
Or how about the mom who simply has no desire to homeschool? Are you saying that a lack of desire to homeschool equals a lack of desire to parent? I don't think it does anymore than a lack of desire to breastfeed for two years indicates a lack of desire to parent.
And I don't think you've addressed what it means for women if now the benchmark is 2 years of breastfeeding plus 12 years of homeschooling per child. If that has become the new brass ring, then what should homeschooling moms teach their daughters? How to be good teachers?
Posted by Kim on November 8, 2011 at 11:05 am | permalink |
Yes, this. What is the point of lavishing all this attention on daughters if they are "supposed to" then spend 15 years of their adult life minimum being miserable because they have to do something as a career that they don't like at all?
Posted by Victoria on November 9, 2011 at 11:38 am | permalink |
I'm that mom! I have a great career and great aptitude for business and its way easier for me to do that than homeschool. I only homeschool becayse its the right thing to do for the kids.
Also, I still earn all the money in our household. I'm married to a farmer- he works all day but dies mot earn the cash we spend.
So I guess you should follow this blog, and you can see how someone like me does it. So far, I have to say, its been extremely hard and I'm a wreck. But hopefully I'll get better at managing this life.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on November 8, 2011 at 11:29 am | permalink |
I've followed your blog(s) for years, and I'm genuinely curious to see how homeschooling works out. But your career allows you to work from home, and you've only been homeschooling for a few months. I wish you and your family every success, but I think it's very premature to be standing on the soapbox and saying this is what everyone should be doing. And I also question whether "I'm a wreck" should be discounted so easily, as though it's a worth it no matter what. Again, it's only been a few months.
Posted by Kim on November 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm | permalink |
On another note, 21 years ago I opened my first of five child care centers so I could work and have my children with me as well!
If you can do it, it is a great way to combine work and mothering!
Posted by Jennifer Soodek on November 8, 2011 at 11:38 am | permalink |
I admire homeschoolers & agree that most public schools are not great places for kids; however, I think you might be a bit too confident with respect to the extent that a child's schooling will impact their long-term life outcomes. If you haven't already, you should read Bryan Caplan's "Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids". The biggest impact your behavior is likely to have on your kids is on how you all feel about each other. Again, homeschooling is probably a great way to nurture that relationship, but your kids won't be lost if you need/want to send them to a school.
Posted by Todd on November 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm | permalink |
Thank you for this! I breastfed my third child until he was over three, in Kentucky, where reaching 6 months and still nursing is almost unheard of.
My kids are homeschooled primarily because our schools are awful here. We have continued to be a one-income family so that we can do this, and it has been a huge sacrifice at times, but it's working well for our family!
Like talking about breastfeeding to a formula-feeding mom, I often find it hard to talk about homeschooling with someone who sends their kids to public school. Obviously I think breastfeeding and homeschooling are best, otherwise I would not have chosen them for my kids.
Posted by Leanna on November 8, 2011 at 1:05 pm | permalink |
I see a correlation between women who can't stop breastfeeding and women who can't sent their kids to school.
I think it's something like fear of seperation?
Fear that an emotionally distant couple ,will not make it without the presence of the kids?
If that is the case,this is not healthy for the psychological development of the kids.Not to mention their sexual development ,which is in my opinion the most important argument against homeschooling,
Posted by maria on November 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm | permalink |
This is so funny! Women who "can't stop breastfeeding"? Seriously? The length of a breastfeeding relationship is a choice made in tandem by a mother and a child, and the idea that someone "can't stop" is totally preposterous. But I love the image of a woman who "can't stop." Like that woman who eats dryer sheets.
And the most important argument against homeschooling is kids' sexual development?! Are you going all Flowers in the Attic here? Most homeschooled kids still see other kids, and there's plenty of time for wide-eyed handholding and more. Jeez.
Posted by p on November 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm | permalink |
Well, i happen to know more than one woman who needed the help of a psychologist to stop breastfeeding because they had grown an addiction!Mostly these were sexually unsatisfied from their marriage.
As, for the sexual development i mentioned please go ask any psychiatrist.It's basic Freud psychology!!!!!Adolescents need space to develop their owm personality ,without parental quidance but through parental rejection.
Look at what Dr Phil says
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/491
Posted by maria on November 9, 2011 at 2:24 am | permalink |
Freud has been largely discredited in the psychiatric field for years now. This is not up-to-date info.
Posted by Hannah on November 9, 2011 at 6:03 am | permalink |
I am loving your made-up anecdata! Amazing and hilarious–although a bit disturbing that anyone out there is so uncomfortable with breastfeeding they feel the need to make impossible shit up.
Also, you clearly don't understand homeschooling–it is not a literal term. Most of the homeschooled teens I know have at least as much and often way more freedom to come and go than their peers
Posted by p on November 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm | permalink |
I don't think that Dr. Phil is the last word on this topic. Referencing him as a definitive source is not helpful.
Posted by Priswell on January 25, 2013 at 8:56 pm | permalink |
I absolutely can't believe we are having this conversation in 2011. "Can't stop breastfeeding"????
That is absurd.
The American Medical Association recommends breastfeeding for two years.
After that, the child will eat so much solid food that it's hard to keep milk anyway. And it's hard to get a kid much older than 3 to breastfeed. Because its so awkward.
So what, exactly, would the addiction look like? Breastfeeding a ten year old? I mean, this is so far outside the norm that it's not worth talking about. It's like, "what about women who can't stop killing their kids?"
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on November 9, 2011 at 7:34 am | permalink |
The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends 1year http://www.aap.org/breastfeeding/faqsBreastfeeding.html
The WHO is the organization which recommends 2 years or more,and that is because they under consideration all the women of the third world.
http://www.who.int/topics/breastfeeding/en/
Anyway,my parallelism was from the psychological angle not the pediatric.
Posted by maria on November 9, 2011 at 4:31 pm | permalink |
I breastfed my daughter for 13 months and my son for 18 months. I didn't like it. I felt like a cow. Whenever the kids nursed, I got thirsty. I did it because it's best for the kids. (I didn't hate it. I just considered it a chore.) The only time breastfeeding was "ok" was when I considered that I didn't have to wake up at night to feed the kid.
My daughter didn't want to stop. I broke my foot and wanted to take the anti-nausea pills that would allow me to take the narcotics. Yes, at that time I cared more about taking narcotics than nursing my daughter. Broken bones hurt.
My son didn't particularly want to stop, but it was Christmas time and he got too busy to nurse for about three days and mommy broke.
Most people consider the length of time I nursed "long." I don't. Two years makes sense. That said, I'm kind of glad I broke my foot and my son got busy at Christmas time.
I also homeschool my kids. I decided I'd homeschool the minute I found out I was pregnant with Kid No. 1. Why? I know, without a doubt, that I can teach them better than they can be taught at school. I know I hated worksheets at school and was bored. I know that other kids can be mean. (My kids have plenty of friends and playmates. There are a lot of other kids that are homeschooled.)
Am I overly attached to my kids?
I don't think so. I most certainly love it when I get a break. Sometimes I tell my husband I'm taking the weekend off and he should take the kids and himself to grandma's or something because I want alone time. Some nights he comes home and I already have keys in hand and say "I'm taking off. They're yours." And I take myself to a bookstore or out to a movie.
I love my kids and I will do what I think is best for them and my family. But believe me, there are days I really consider tossing them in school.
There are days I want to work outside of the house. (I freelance at home.)
Why am I at home and not my husband? I like to say I lost the quarter toss. When I quit out-of-the-house work, I made more money than he did. What it comes down to, however, is that my nature can cope better at home than his can. He also knows that if he ever gets laid off, we're in a race and the first job offer gets to go to work.
He's promised to take over teaching my classes at co-op.
Posted by Gwen Nicodemus on November 9, 2011 at 4:17 pm | permalink |
Am I overly attached to my kids?
This is a question you can ask a child psychologist , if you have that doubt.
It is a fact, that mothers have a dark side ,as well .They become control freaks over their children lives ,in direct but also in indirect ways ,which can't be easily pointed out .It is one of the most difficult things to become a good mother ,which means to not suffocate the kid's personality with your need to impose power ,with your need to have a life goal ,with your need to fill the gaps of your marriage ,with your need to fix the mistakes of the past you or your parents made.
Posted by maria on November 10, 2011 at 4:42 am | permalink |
Dear God, I wasn't going to reply to Maria, but for crying out loud, she completely discredited herself when she linked to Dr. Phil. That duck's a quack.
Thank you, P, for starting an interesting conversation. I'm seriously considering homeschooling and this portion of your blog has given me a lot to think about.
Posted by Laura on November 11, 2011 at 2:25 pm | permalink |
Dear Maria
I sense from your comments that you have a very limited understanding of psychology, education, schooling, pedagogy, child development and English grammar. I am an education academic, teacher, researcher (yes, into home-education), mother and former English teacher. It would do you some good to research, even in a limited capacity, before commenting. I also recommend reading your comments for sense, comma usage and clarity before hitting the 'post comment' button.
Cheers
Rebecca
Posted by Rebecca on December 28, 2012 at 7:37 pm | permalink |
Maria, do you even know any homeschooled kids? Do you know any unschooled kids? The ones you've seen on TV don't count.
Just wanna throw some things out there…we've been homeschooling for 11 years and I was only a SAHM for 1.5 of those years. I've almost always worked outside the home 25-35 hours per week. I'm currently unemployed but I'm a full-time student. The husband and I are happily married. Obviously, there are no "separation issues." We simply LIKE our kids. We have one grown son and one 16yo who was probably happily banging his 17yo (homeschooled) girlfriend last night after the dance they went to. (Yeah, I said it). So…sexual development? Are you saying that if they attended school, I wouldn't find condom wrappers in the trash?
I must say I've never met a woman who can't stop breastfeeding, despite working in women's health for a number of years. @@
Posted by Skwerl on November 13, 2011 at 8:21 am | permalink |
I'm very curious for how two working parents can engage in home- or un- schooling. Got any links? Advice here?
We're both working as much as we can at the moment, and we're not making enough to get by, and sinking deeper into debt. If we worked any more, we'd need daycare/school/etc..if we worked any less, we'd be pretty much homeless.
What's your strategy?
Posted by Brian Heagney on December 3, 2012 at 5:56 pm | permalink |
Homeschooling isn't for everyone. Some people literally just don't want to.
Before the advent of a school system here in America, everyone knew that it was their duty to educate their children if they had them. That's been gone so long that no one thinks of it as their duty, rather the state's. It used to be that a family educated their own kids, had a relative do it, paid a small fee to the teacher at the little school in the village, or hired a governess exclusively for their family's use. Funnily enough, a greater percentage of the population was functionally literate then as opposed to now.
Of course, the other side of that argument is that now, it's illegal to refuse to educate females or persons of non-Caucasian heritage. Given what I'm seeing now, though, I'm not sure the state is doing any better for the minority students than what they could do for themselves. For many of them, school is what enables the parents to work. It's a dire situation.
Posted by Jenna L on November 8, 2011 at 5:53 pm | permalink |
My experience with homeschooling is my wife is homeschooling our kids and my sister tried homeschooling hers. My wife has a masters degree and so does my sister. Before we had kids my wife would say she couldn't imagine homeschooling and could never do it. Before my sister had kids she would say she was definitely going to homeschool.
Now 3-5 years later, my sister gave up on homeschooling – she just couldn't handle it personally. My wife on the other hand once we had kids just can't imagine not doing it and she completely loves it.
I think it is understandable that some people find it simply too difficult to homeschool. I personally am not sure I could do it. Maybe I could adapt, but I do start to get a little crazy when I spend even a few hours of concentrated time with my kids – especially when we don't have something to do.
So that would be why I might say homeschooling is not for everyone. Not only can't I see how a single parent could even manage it, but I also can understand how even the perfect potential homeschooling parent (my sister's masters degree is in childhood development) might not be well suited to that specific task.
Jason
Posted by Jason on November 8, 2011 at 6:04 pm | permalink |
Very provocative article.
tl;dr The shift toward homeschooling is still in an early phase. It would be counterproductive to start a revolution in education, when evolution is already taking us where we need to go.
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Breastfeeding is an great analogy for homeschooling. When I look a little more deeply at breastfeeding though, I come to a different conclusion. Here's why.
When I was born, in the US in the early 60's, my mother was given general anesthesia. She has no idea what happened in the hours surrounding my birth. When she woke up she was told that she had been given a "dry up" shot to ease the uncomfortable breast swelling that generally occurred after birth. That was the extent of the discussion and thought given to breastfeeding. It was absurd to propose something so obviously primitive, and a bit perverted. It was unthinkable to question the doctors. The doctors felt no need or obligation to discuss the decisions they made on behalf of their patients.
In one generation things have come so far. My son was breastfed on demand until he stopped initiating breastfeeding.
Acceptance and understanding of breastfeeding has come light years in mere decades. But we have still lost the heritage of knowledge about something that is exquisitely complex, even though it is literally the most natural thing in the world. Generations of women stopped passing down the knowledge about the optimal beginning of life that had been learned at great expense over many thousands of years.
For example, we still often give routine iv fluids mothers during labor. This can lead to the baby being born over-hydrated. Compounding this, the umbilical cord is cut before the 30 percent of the baby's blood, that is held in the placenta to ease birth, can be pumped out immediately following birth back into the baby. So the baby is low on blood but the blood they have is artificially diluted by the iv fluids. The baby is going to naturally resist more fluids, and thus lose weight until things are at equilibrium again. Many times the baby is taken away from the mother to be "warmed up" or whatever they claim these days, and frequently still given formula while the mother is told to rest. After labor many mothers are happy to get a break.
Thus, in the critical period of seconds, minutes and hours after birth, biochemical processes that are scripted by nature to happen are not allowed to happen. In the interest of brevity I will skip the half a dozen other things we still inadvertently do that further complicate breastfeeding. My point is that still today not every woman can successfully get breastfeeding started and maintain it for reasons not only beyond their control, but reasons they are not even aware of.
Our culture is only slowly reconstructing the knowledge about how this miraculous process works and how to facilitate it instead of interfering with it.
Homeschoolers have been on a parallel journey. After generations of institutionalized education, more and more people are re-discovering how children optimally learn and grow and thrive. We have come a long way, but there are still massive social hurdles that make it very impractical for everyone to homeschool.
As Jenna L pointed out, myriad social changes have taken place since people last took responsibility for educating their children.
Further, most homeschoolers are themselves products of institutionalized education. All of their formative experience is of a highly dysfunctional system. We're not just intellectually stunted by our past, but psychologically as well.
So some will pioneer. Some will go in front and rediscover and they will pull the center of the bell curve along behind them, as pioneers tend to do. Attitudes will change. Ultimately, we will end up with a whole lot more intelligent ways to educate our young, and a lot more support systems. Along with that probably a much more fluid barrier between "schools" and homes. There are functions schools could meaningfully serve even in a world where everyone homeschools – as strange as that may sound on its face.
Some of this is happening with schools allowing homeschooled kids to take part in sports and certain activities. And people are forming local groups to support one another. As more people homeschool and work together, unforeseen changes will take place and I doubt we'll recognize the landscape 20 or 30 years from now.
I am a vigorous and enthusiastic advocate of homeschooling / unschooling. But I do not think we are ready for everyone to do it yet. I believe the most fruitful approach is to wake people up to the options they have and let homeschooling spread organically, rather than trying to coerce people to do what we have come to feel is best. Evolution, not revolution.
Posted by Mark K on November 9, 2011 at 12:23 am | permalink |
This is the best response I've read yet. It's compelling and clear and makes perfect sense. Right on.
Posted by Hannah on November 9, 2011 at 6:01 am | permalink |
Mark, this is a fantastic response. Well said!
Posted by Jenna L on November 9, 2011 at 3:32 pm | permalink |
I really enjoyed reading this, Mark. Thoughtful and informative.
Posted by Fiona on November 12, 2011 at 2:21 pm | permalink |
ya, breastfeeding isnt right for everyone.
enough said.
Posted by Naima on November 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm | permalink |
The point is that it's right for every baby. And so is individualized education.
Posted by Skwerl on November 13, 2011 at 8:23 am | permalink |
Saying that everyone can homeschool is no different than saying that school is right for every kid.
The fundamental reason that public school isn't right for every kid is that kids are individuals, with individual needs and abilities. Adults, like kids, are individuals with their own needs and abilities.
To say that one is not capable of homeschooling their kids is no worse than saying that one is not capable of teaching their kids football or piano. Homeschooling is not right for some of the very best parents in the world.
Posted by LJM on November 9, 2011 at 4:10 pm | permalink |
Interesting post. But I agree with someone above who said that many people are not able to breast feed because their bodies don't produce milk or because of many other serious complications. And, the majority of our mothers did not breast feed us for two years, and there are a heck of a lot of successful people in our generation.
As for home schooling, I feel that it is a great option, however I don't home school. All research that I have seen is that home schooled children outperform public school children across the board. My children go to private school, but if we could not afford that option, they would probably go to public school. This is not because I can't handle home schooling, but simply because I feel that no matter where your child is receiving their "schooling", the nurturing, caring, and encouraging starts at home. If a child has a negative or abusive home life and they are home schooled, is that a good thing? What if they are home schooled and spend half the day watching TV? Just the fact that they are home schooled doesn't make it better for the child. When you put a knife to your head, Penelope, was that healthy for your children?
No matter if a child has "school" at home or away from home, we all learn in life. Receiving love and support, being exposed to the wonders of nature and to other cultures, and putting your child in a position to ask questions about real experiences that they are having – that is learning.
I think that home schooling is great, but the real answer to success in raising a child is removing them from computers, televisions, and video games, and spending quality time with them. That is hard work, but most certainly worth it.
Another recent article: The Wall Street Journal a couple of weeks ago reported that 90 percent of all children of Google and Apple executives attend Waldorf schools where you are not introduced to a computer until 7th grade. When asked why they chose that option? They said the hard work in raising children is to make them grounded, intelligent human beings. And an intelligent person can learn everything they need to know about computers in about a year.
I am also a believer of schools because I went to public school and went to a top-five college.
Posted by ANK on November 9, 2011 at 7:02 pm | permalink |
How is it "arrogant" to believe that homeschooling isn't for everyone? How is it a "lie" to suggest that homeschooling isn't for everyone? Everyone is different. Everyone has different skills.
And isn't it really arrogant to call people you disagree with "liars?"
Posted by LJM on November 9, 2011 at 8:16 pm | permalink |
I agree with LJM. I've been helping unschoolers for 20 years now, and unschooling isn't for all homeschoolers.
Pressure from others to do things isn't helpful to natural learning. Pressure from others to take kids out of school if the kids are fine and the family is functioning is damaging to families. We had fundamentalist Christian neighbors when my kids were young who went to a church where homeschooling was considered virtuous and Godly. The mom did NOT want to homeschool, but she felt no choice. That family ended up divorced and scattered and the kids very unhappy, while our godless family is still together.
People who learn to see their options and choices will live with an increasingly healthy awareness of why they are choosing their actions, words and thoughts.
For me, as a child, homeschooling would not have been good. I needed to get away from my mean alcoholic mother as much as I could, and school was a place where there were kinder people, sober people, who read books and had travelled and who could look at me and talk to me without shaming or scaring me. I learned to be a better parent by having adults in my life other than my own parents. (My dad was sweet, but working and watching TV more than interacting with us.)
"The big lie" is not a helpful accusation to have made.
Posted by Sandra Dodd on November 11, 2011 at 8:02 am | permalink |
It's like the Trinity of the Mommy Wars here: breastfeeding (complete with nursing shot), homeschooling, and the strident condemnation of other people and their respective opinions/experiences/capabilities.
Golly, but this post is gonna get a ton of hits and comments. A TON.
Posted by Pamela Price on November 9, 2011 at 9:03 pm | permalink |
Yes everyone CAN homeschool. Should they, just because they can? No. I homeschooled my oldest (11, autism) for a couple years and it was definitely NOT in his best interests… it was just the best option we had at the time, since he was being beaten up in public school. Now he is in a "private" public school reserved for kids with IEPs, in a class of three and thriving. We love this school so much that we will not even dream of moving away from it until he graduates. And I would never dream of doing him a disservice by schooling him at home again.
Posted by Tiffany (NatureMom) on November 27, 2011 at 9:58 am | permalink |
Great point. I quit my public school teaching job to start a program that helps teens get out of school and use homeschooling to improve their lives. I hope you will find our model inspiring as a way to make this option realistic and appealing for any interested teen. visit http://www.northstarteens.org for more information.
Posted by Kenneth Danford on November 30, 2011 at 6:43 am | permalink |
We homeschool and when people say it is not for everyone it is because not everyone has the temperament to teach a whole bunch of subjects through the school years. That said most people can do it just fine. Others we know just could not make it work for them. Everyone is different those that don't homeschool often supplement what the school is doing so the kids are better off. You can no longer depend on the schools alone to educate your kids if you ever could.
Posted by Rich on January 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm | permalink |
Penelope didn't get where she is by uttering mild euphemisms and sticking to safe and thoroughly explored and agreed-upon territory. That's what the majority of the blogosphere, quietly moldering in anonymous self-aggrandizement, is for. That, and gathering a few "me too" comments. I have to admire her courage to pronounce her views audaciously once she has come to them.
It is too bad that for the most part, people (more often women, than men, for whatever reason), value consensus over discourse. My tendency to value discourse (and argument!) over consensus makes me come across as too forceful, loving argument for its own sake, or just unpleasant, when to my mind, I respect someone else's position contrary to my own, if they make a valid and well-thought case for it.
I find having to go through life nodding and smiling and sticking only to the most banal topics, blandly and mildly agreeing halfheartedly with other women, so odious, that I'm embracing solitude for a while, because it's actually more fun.
How nice to see someone who doesn't live in the perpetually half-stooped posture of interminable compromise with popular consensus.
Posted by Meg on February 3, 2012 at 11:26 am | permalink |
I think there are exceptions. I imagine about ten percent of the population (wild guess) might not be best served with homeschooling or breastfeeding. I wouldn't recommend either to the drug addicted or alcoholic mom.
Posted by Kay on April 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm | permalink |
(I have not read the other comments.)
Penelope, using your arguments above how would you respond to a mother who homeschooled happily for six years then decided to enroll her kids in school saying "homeschooling is not right for us, right now"? Certainly you could not accuse her of being classist about her own self!
I am new to reading your writing. Maybe your schtick is to throw around bold opinions and some negative classifications. Such writing can make for interesting reading and can drive comments, things good for blog traffic and for helping blog ad revenue rise. I don't know what your M.O. is…
I've homeschooled my kids "since birth", they've never been in daycare or preschool. They are 14.5 and 11.5. I have been around all kinds of people, different religions, different reasons for homeschooling, different methods of homeschooling.
I've seen people quit homeschooling for many reasons, and some return back to it (for a time). I have volunteered with support groups and heard lots of stories and situations. I think your harsh tone in this post has to do with not having yet experienced enough different situations that others live with, which would help you gain wisdom.
How about the mom I knew who died of Breast Cancer in her 30s? While sick as a dog on treatment she put her kids in school. Would you say that she should have persevered?
How about the mom I knew who homeschooled five kids – they stopped at a rest stop while driving to a summer vacation spot and while mom was in the restroom, dad keeled over dead onto the restaurant table. She had to go back to work full time plus hire a Nanny to shuttle the kids to extra-curricular activities and CCD while she worked til 6pm.
What about the mom whose child wound up so severely dyslexic that she was unable to teach him and still have time to give her other 3 kids attention — who wound up sending the boy to a special school for dyslexic kids?
Gee whiz.
I think what bugged me about this post was it seems so closed minded and seeks to divide.
I blog strong opinions and enjoy discourse but if that is what a blogger wants they need to write in a way that seems to show the door to discussion is open not just preaching a certain stance. (Actually I think I've mellowed out over the years that I've been blogging.)
BTW I did attachment parenting and extended breastfeeding, after breastfeeding struggles, so I'm in the know about that stuff.
Posted by ChristineMM on April 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm | permalink |
Absolutely freakin awesome! I homeschooled in NYC as a poor, single mama and I so hear you with a ton of things you said here. Amazing post, so very true. Anything is possible, if only more people could know this to be the truth.
Posted by Sally Terranova on April 17, 2012 at 10:54 am | permalink |
I have finally decided what to say when people comment negatively about our decision to home school. I say…"It's hard. It's worth it, but it's hard." This way I have acknowledged that I am willing to make the sacrifice for my kids and that there are great rewards for it.
By using this wonderful statement that I have found, I stop people dead in their tracks. I am not apologizing for seeming to do more for my child than the other person by saying, "It's not for everybody." I also believe that it makes the other person think. This is the best that I can do for myself and for promoting homeschooling.
Posted by Mary Donald on April 18, 2012 at 9:05 am | permalink |
Current studies show statistics on breastfeeding are overblown and marginal at best. This is pretty mainstream information at this point, but no one pays attention to it. I'm not saying it's not usually the best option and that there aren't numerous benefits, but you need to get a little more up to date on the info. I also doubt most breast-feeding Moms are eliminating toxins, sugar, flour, chemicals and other harmful elements to their diets while breastfeeding.
I'm open to the idea homeschooling is best. But what about free, public charter schools that offer individualized learning and still have arts and specialty programs? I just don't see how homeschooling is ALWAYS best for everyone everywhere. That's a lot to promise.
Posted by Susan on April 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm | permalink |
Great discussion here. I wandered onto this blog & as a mother with mental health issues myself, I am excited to read more.
I can say that I used to think that more along these lines when my daughter was younger, but as she's grown older and more independent, it has become very important to me to support her pathway to learning the way SHE wants to learn. I let her go to public school because she wanted to try it. Now she is attending private school and wants to stay there. Her current school was expected to close after this year, and she was leaning towards returning to homeschooling because she really did not want to go back to public school, but now that we found out she will be able to return to her current school next year, that is what she is planning to do.
I hated school & can't imagine why I would choose to attend if I were in her shoes, but she likes it. She says that she feels more focused & on the task when there are formal, external expectations. She worries that her achievement would drop going back to homeschool. Of course, I don't believe that. I want her to grow and flourish & it seems that at her stage of maturity, I should be expecting her to spread her wings more. That the pathway to spreading her wings that she has chosen is one that I personally find suffocating is irrelevant. I'm going to support her & if she changes her mind, I will support that, too. Because homeschooling isn't something I do so much as it is something I do FOR her. Yes, I enjoy it, but I feel like for me to TELL her that she has to homeschool would be like my parents telling me I HAD to go to school.
Posted by Julie Stout on April 24, 2012 at 10:12 pm | permalink |
I disagree. While I think more parents could absolutely homeschool if they would stop listening to the masses, I also think there are some families that it is not right for, whatever their reasons are.
So, I think it's being judgmental to assume everyone can homeschool, just like it's judgmental to assume every woman can breastfeed for two years or even at all.
I don't think we should judge anyone for anything because we're all different. What's right for one, isn't right for some.
Posted by Emmismee on May 4, 2012 at 11:10 pm | permalink |
My baby girl firmly indicated at almost exactly one year that she was done with breast feeding. I wasn't going to force her to do something she had clearly outgrown. Her protests of "No Mama" made it obvious she wasn't "it" to it. Today she is a healthy, happy 1st grader — one of only four who are in advanced reading classes in the entire 1st grade — & a complete snuggle bug. So I know she doesn't suffer from our mutual agreement to call it quits.
My son, on the other hand, was born premature, only weight 3 lbs, 9 ozs at birth, & had to be tube fed for the first week. Even so, I was able to eventually get him to latch on, & I happily nursed him for about six weeks before it became clear he just wasn't getting enough. I'm pretty sure that stopping so soon didn't harm him, either — he's 18, extremely smart & healthy — so healthy he made it to State in his senior year of wrestling.
And then there's my sister. She didn't nurse any of her three children. They are as happy, healthy, & smart as my two babies. Breast feeding is definitely the best first choice, but it certainly doesn't make you evil or shitty if you opt out for whatever reasons you may have. People are so smug when they talk about nursing, like engaging in this natural body function somehow makes them special Olympic winners instead of just people who might choose tampons over maxi-pads, or vice versa.
We are all so caught up in the process, we forget that it's the end result that most matters: Happy, healthy, smart children who grown into contributing members of society, & who will take care of us in our old age, & who will eventually be in charge of the world. There are many paths to success, & many definitions of success. Why any one mom would thinks she knows it all is over my head.
Posted by Andi on May 15, 2012 at 1:48 am | permalink |
I think the issue that is much bigger than whether or not it is right or wrong to be judgemental about other people's parenting decisions is, what would a state where everybody homeschooled look like? Even though there are a lot of us, and I don't know if the numbers are still growing like they were, we are still very, very much in the minority. Public policy dealing with homeschooling so far in the US is minimal. Some states, like Texas, are completely hands-off. We are operating a completely separate, parallel system of education in a public policy vacuum. That works only when we are in the minority. If homeschooling were to become a majority pursuit, we would need more public policy & lots of it. Because at that point, what we are doing with our kids would have a much bigger impact on every other aspect of public life… public health, transportation, the economy. It would affects other sectors in ways we can't even anticipate. When I ask myself the question, "Would it be a better place if everybody homeschooled?" I know that I can't answer that question… because every major shift in the public's behavior has unanticipated consequences and some of them are very negative. I'm sure that when agricultural planners were sitting around in the early twentieth century figuring out how to use technology to improve farming yields and getting better nutrition to the cities, making fresh foods affordable for the urban poor, nobody anticipated the obesity epidemic, the rise of Type II diabetes, etc. etc. They were thinking, Kids are starving! So even if you believe that kids are starving for an education, I am very wary of any solution proposed for the majority, because whenever you have the majority of people making a major shift in their behavior, there are going to be other unintended consequences.
Posted by Julie Stout on May 15, 2012 at 2:17 am | permalink |
I like this phrase Homeschooling is not for everyone but it is good enough to be.
Posted by Shannon on May 17, 2012 at 11:25 am | permalink |
Breastfeeding is *not* for everyone. When I was pregnant I had to make the choice between taking mood stabilizers that pass through into breast milk or risk coming down with Post-Partum Psychosis, a condition my mother had suffered from. I choose the meds – even so, I had very disturbing thoughts about harming my child. If I hadn't been medicated, who knows what would have happened.
Along those lines, homeschooling is not for everyone. It sure as hell wasn't for Andrea Yates. Yes, there was a hell of a lot going on there aside from homeschooling (the creeper husband who insisted on impregnating her over and over again despite doctor's warnings), but IMHO it would have been much healthier for her school aged kids to be in school, at least until she had recovered.
Posted by Michelle on May 17, 2012 at 12:26 pm | permalink |
I am frustrated by your insistence that homeschooling is the best and only way to raise educated children. Perhaps I just don't want to believe it because I am a 39-year-old widow and mother of three who chooses to work instead of stay home with the kids so that I can pay for stuff. Perhaps. Although I really do believe my frustration lies in the fact that you are basically saying that in order for kids to not be forced to grow up thinking there is only one best way to learn, you are telling parents that there is only one best way to teach. Bullshit. Kids who want to learn and have supportive adults in their lives will do so. Homeschooling is irrelevant.
Posted by Casey on May 18, 2012 at 3:30 pm | permalink |
I loved this post! I agree that homeschooling should be for everyone. I know most of the kids who my unschooled kids meet wish they were home schooled. I think it's the parents. Ok, I KNOW it's the parents. They just aren't interested in spending that time with their kid, and want a break from their kids, they want someone else to do it. Though how school is considered a break is beyond me because there is so much sh*t you have to do when your kids go to school. Get up early, make sure they do their homework when they come home, evening sports practices (coz during the day they are at school) omg…what a nightmare!!! But, as a former lactation consultant (too busy unschooling my last 2 kids right now) I believe breastfeeding is for every baby…it's just getting it thru to the moms who want to have a break from the baby (they very one they have been waiting 9 months to have in their arms…love the irony there) that the investment in time and hard work to get nursing started will pay off. (This said by a mom who nursed all 3 of her kids past the age of 5…take that TIME magazine!).
Posted by Rachel on June 5, 2012 at 3:14 pm | permalink |
I used to feel the same way as you…..8 years ago when we began our homeschool experience. Honestly, I identify a lot with the place you are right now, and I shared many of the same convictions–the world is our curriculum, if people would just do the hard work of being around children they COULD homeschool, schools are an out-dated model, socialization within schools is a myth etc…
However, after these 8 years of homeschooling, I have seen a HUGE range of homeschooling quality in the metropolitan, highly educated area we live. I have seen a very small few outstanding examples of kids being homeschooled to college, and I have seen some horrible failures, particularly in the realm of literacy. At this stage, I am not so convinced that homeschooling is for everyone. It could be for everyone if there was appropriate interventions for learning disabilities/ mental health/ neurological differences and if there was financial support concomitantly because it IS expensive (I am a Ph.D. scientist and I have not worked for 8 years…that is a massive loss of family income, and the resources, including lessons/ tutoring are about 9K for two kids).
Posted by Elizabeth on June 6, 2012 at 10:07 am | permalink |
Let me preface this by saying that I have tremendous respect for what you have been through, and your tenacity at sticking to what you knew was best for your family. Having been myself at a point where the only thing keeping my from suicide was my unwillingness to leave my kids with any of the available family members, I think I can at least partially relate to where you are coming from.
That said, I must respectfully disagree. You made the decision that you believed was best, and that is your right. Had you made a different decision, like many other moms in your situation do, that would have also been your right, and not subject to criticism from outsiders. Homeschooling may be best for every child, just like breastfeeding is. But you must assume a certain amount of commitment and ability on the part of the mother in order to make that statement. And while more may lack the willingness than the ability, there are a few who lack the ability.
My aunt tried very hard to breastfeed, and wept bitterly when the doctors told her that her milk had tested without any nutritional value and she would have to use formula if my cousin was to survive. He was dying; all she could do with breastfeeding was hydrate him. Maybe a different doctor, or a lactation consultant (this was many years ago) could have helped her do something about her milk, I don't know. But I know she did all she could with the situation she had.
Likewise, I come from homeschooling parents who gave us an excellent education. Our other skills are sorely lacking, but that is because they believed it was healthy for us to be isolated from "the world" (i.e., everyone else. We had home church too). My husband, however, came from homeschooling parents who were completely incompetent to teach their children, and his brothers' education is a disgrace. He was the "rebel" who pursued through outside means whatever his mother did not teach adequately, and she scorns him for that. She could have done better if she had not been mentally unstable and abusive. But she didn't. And her children would have been better off in public school.
Homeschooling and breastfeeding my be best for every child; but a family is more than the children.
I have chosen to put my children in school for now, because we live in a 500 sq. ft. cabin and my active boys need outside interaction. Plus my claustrophobia severely impedes my ability to handle frustration in that environment. This is what I believe is best for them right now. My goal is to change that eventually, and it helps that we live in our state's top-rated school district. If we lived in the city, I would choose to keep them home instead and deal with that set of problems. Each parent has to weigh their own personal situation and make whatever decision they believe is the best FOR THE CHILDREN. And no one else should criticize.
Posted by Mrs. Searching on June 7, 2012 at 8:56 am | permalink |
Its really not for everyone – not always because they can't, but because they don't want to! I would rather a child be in school than with an angry, resentful homeschooling parent. We don't gain anything by insisting that everyone should homeschool.
Posted by Catherine on August 29, 2012 at 10:41 am | permalink |
I heard someone say that if you really want to do something nothing can stop you, and if you don't want to you'll find an excuse not to. I think that pretty much sums it up.
Posted by betty on September 20, 2012 at 1:25 am | permalink |
So happy I found your blog, right on New Year's Day even! You have given me some great thoughts to begin my new year homeschooling, (now in my 6th year) and breastfeeding (my 6th child-he turns 1 this week!) I've been breastfeeding for a total of 9 1/2 years now! It is terribly difficult some days, but I know these are the best ways for my kids! It is in this daily dying to myself that I find Christ and strength to carry on!
Posted by Jennifer on January 1, 2013 at 11:03 am | permalink |
Penelope, please provide a link to a credible recommendation for breastfeeding for 2 years. Thanks!
Posted by Jenni Parr on January 5, 2013 at 10:36 pm | permalink |
I find it strange that you say ' Wikipedia, of all places, comes right out and says that all the research …' .
Wikipedia does not say things – it is not like the NYT or the Economist that has a stance (at least often) I could go and change that Wikipedia post and then 'Wikipedia would say' : something different. If nobody disagrees or nobody cares enough to disagree -that is what that entry will be left as. So just because that is on there in Wikipedia – doesn't make it correct.
So choose another source to say why it is indisputable.
I am not saying the fact is not indisputable.
Posted by gayathri chittiappa on January 17, 2013 at 6:36 am | permalink |
I don't think it's a lie to say that homeschooling isn't right for everyone. I also don't think it's classist. I think it's realistic. Not every family is set up for the demands of homeschooling, and not every parent-child relationship meshes in a way that would make homeschooling successful. If being around your kids all day long makes you bonkers, homeschooling is not for you (and it doesn't make you a bad parent, either … I love my kids; I homeschool two of them. They are bright, interesting, *talkative* children, and I sometimes want to crawl into bed and pull the covers over my head to escape the constant chatter). If your child hates homeschooling, homeschooling is not for you (one of my children is in school because homeschooling simply was not working for that child). Yes, the schools are not good in general. But dedicated parents who are committed to making sure their child gets a good education can make sure that happens. Not every school is a complete loss and not every schooled child is lost.
Posted by Sarah on January 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm | permalink |
I think we should stop giving our opinion on what's best for everyone else's kids and worry about our own families and kids. I for one homeschool my daughter because it is the right thing for us. I also was only able to breastfeed her for about a month, for various reasons I won't get into, and it worked out just fine for us too. She is a healthy, beautiful intelligent girl. And this is not so because I followed society's and the authority's recommendations on what I should do with her. I am a fit mother and I decide what I should do with my kids.
I honestly don't care if there is a recommendation to breastfeed for 2 years, the people that came up with that recommendation are not raising my daughter, I am.
It's ok to look for advice and opinions on parenting, but ultimately it is up to the parents to pick what is right for their children.
Posted by Anna on January 19, 2013 at 1:51 am | permalink |
I think homeschooling is a terrific idea, and we homeschooled our son from preK-12. He got his diploma from our own private school, registered in the State of California under the Private School Affidavit.
But as much as I have confidence in homeschooling, I do believe that "not everyone can homeschool". Sometimes not being able to homeschool is because of having too many other responsibilities. It's unfair to tell a single mom with 3 children that "if you just try hard enough, you can homeschool."
There are also a few parents out there that I think should go out of their way to *not* homeschool. No amount of hard work or good intentions can fill the in what's needed to do the job.
That said, I also believe that in some cases, more people could homeschool, if they wanted. But you can't conscript homeschooling parents. They have to do it because they want to, because their circumstances allow for it, and they can see how to make it work.
Usually, non-homeschooling parents are very intimidated by homeschooling parents because they think it's a statement saying that they are not good enough parents. So, my usual response to those intimidated moms that I encounter is, "The most important thing that determines successful education are parents that are interested in their children's educational welfare."
Most parent's are interested in their children's educational welfare, and the social disaster is (usually) averted.
Posted by Priswell on January 24, 2013 at 10:24 am | permalink |
Just to be real about it: Homeschooling isn't right for everyone because many parents are neither capable nor sufficiently willing to teach. Others are working too hard just to survive. Not everyone has the luxury (yes, I just called it a luxury. Classist? Maybe.) to intimately guide their own children through the coursework. Others choose to spend their available time on their own interests instead of on their children. Still others are either literally or figuratively children themselves.
No, homeschooling isn't right for everyone. And despite having been homeschooled from 4th grade through high school myself, I don't flinch at saying I don't think my own parents were sufficiently prepared for it.
Posted by Homeschooled on January 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm | permalink |
Homeschooling is not for everyone. Of course it is not. Home schooling is for people who want to homeschool, and they usually do so out of strong and compelling convictions. People often look at us as strange and some people actually resent us, because they feel their local schools don't get our support through ADA, manpower or they feel we have "opted out" so that we should exist on the fringe of the community. I have even met adults who are hostile toward the idea of homeschooling. Definitely I would say, that, "it is not for them." I do believe it is a matter of choice. My sons and I volunteer as math tutors for public schools, usually we work with failing math students who are usually lower income and typically come from immigrant parents. I often think that all those kids would thrive homeschooling. Too many kid fall through the cracks in regular schools, it really is so sad, because many of those students later define themselves by the idea of what they have been told they can't do.
Posted by Lynne Santamaria on January 30, 2013 at 4:50 pm | permalink |
The mental health issues are my concern. I have PTSD and depression and I parent two children (ages 2 and 4) alone 5 days a week and have some relief when my husband is home. I breast fed both my kids despite being constantly triggered and having flashbacks of my childhood sexual abuse.I'm still nursing my 2 year old… I was woken up on average 10 times a night by both children for over a year (the first time) and 18 months for the second. I nursed through a horrid pregnancy which I had to take high doses diclectin until I delivered. I am worn down and feel I am no good to them most of the time. I am often angry and despite my no spanking peaceful parenting philosophy I am pushed to the brink and yell at least once a week. I am very unhappy. How can you say that my kids will be better off with me than in school, where at least they will be learning and not watching netflix for hours a day?
Posted by Teresa on January 31, 2013 at 2:28 pm | permalink |
Very inspirational. You're great, Penelope.
Posted by ImYourMamasita on February 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm | permalink |
thats NOT a lie.thats simply the truth.in my family homeschooling is NOT right for us.we live on a alaskan goldmine and we NEVER leave the house in the winter outside of grocery shopping.we have no mother only a overprotective crippled miner dad who cannot control his temper.that my friends is a real family that homeschool is simply not the right choice for.you have to realize that not every family is a mom dad living in the suburbs of virginia or whereverthefuck with cookie cutter lives.
Posted by Auraylia on April 14, 2013 at 2:39 pm | permalink |
John Muir, one of America's most famous environmentalists, was homeschooled on the farm by his mother. He taught himself Latin and Greek and then went on to college at the age of 22. Before he even went to college, a no name school in Wisconsin, he was an insanely talented engineer/inventor because he built stuff on the farm. This was before there were fancy textbooks on math and engineering. But even college in the mid 1800's was not the same as it is now. The woman who got him into the university was the Dean's wife which later become his mentor. This further proves that learning is best transmitted on an individualized level. The purpose of knowledge is the transmission of information from one generation to the next to ultimately make the world a better place. But now education is primarily to "school children on how to become hyperconsumers" later on in life. To exist in a world created by marketers. FYI, the info on John Muir was from a PBS documentary.
Posted by Christine T on April 16, 2013 at 12:23 pm | permalink |